I use an ancient, noisy IBM keyboard from the 80's with real switches under the keys. More key travel, very "clicky." Sensitive laptop keyboards drive me crazy.
He analyzed dust and found iron particles that were previously molten. But this shouldn't be surprising. The iron in any product in modern use has been smelted and would have been molten at some point in time.
Steel beams can collapse into microscopic spheres? Wow!
I don't see a report of someone taking a sample and verifying it as molten steel.
Physicist Steven E Jones claims to have analyzed both a sample of the "formerly molten metal" which he says is mostly iron, and a dust sample. Some of his work is here, here and here. One could certainly attack the chain of custody on the samples he analyzes as well as question his motives, but those are just more reason why there should be a real investigation.
Gimme a story that fits the facts, that isn't as full of holes as a stop sign on a redneck country road. Nobody seems to be able to do that, from what I've seen.
I totally agree.
There are manyreports of molten steel, including from some engineers and scientists. NIST dismisses whether or not there was molten steel after the collapse as irrelevant. This is like investigating a death and saying the pool of blood on the floor under the victim is irrelevant.
The NIST explanation for molten steel does not explain the fuel source. A furnace is never going to get hotter than the fuel can burn, and nothing in the buildings *should* have been able to burn hot enough long enough to melt steel. The only explanation for a fuel source that I have seen is in the Popular Mechanics book: a spontaneous thermite-like reaction between aluminum in the building and nearby oxides or possibly oxygen in the air. I do not think anyone has attempted to demonstrate that this reaction is possible. It certainly seems far out as such a reaction has never been seen in structure fires before. A fire fighter friend suggested plastics in the office could burn hot enough, but there would not be enough of them concentrated at one point and getting enough oxygen in a debris pile to melt steel.
I'm not happy with any of the conspiracy explanations, but this is one of the nagging questions that the official narrative doesn't adequately answer.
the steel didn't have to melt for the towers to collapse, they just had to *soften*.
True the steel only had to weaken to start a collapse, but no one has offered a reasonable explanation for the molten metal found in the subasements.
55 and 70 . . . some scales have that as mild mental retardation
70 is 2 standard deviations below the mean and by definition retarded or whatever the politically correct term is this year. Plus it seems like lots of people lose 20 IQ points just by getting behind the wheel.
"Norwegian Lace Cookies"
1/2 cup butter
1 1/2 cups rolled oats
1 egg
2/3 cup sugar
1 tablespoon flour
1 teaspoon baking powder
Melt butter in a sauce pan and pour over oats in a medium bowl.
In a small bowl, beat the egg until light, then beat in sugar, baking powder, and flour.
Combine the oats and egg mixtures.
Drop by spoonfuls on a greased and floured cookie sheet. Not too close together cause they spread out.
Bake 350F about 8 minutes. Cool a minute before removing from the cookie sheet. Note these are mostly butter and sugar, so have your cardiac specialist and dentist on standby.
Before 1950, all movies were (approx) 4:3. But then along came TV. Hollywood wanted a gimmick to keep people coming to threaters, so they invented the wide screen. To say one is better is like saying landscape photography is better than portrait photography.
I'm having a smoothy with a handful of frozen blueberries, a banana, a spoonful of yogurt, and a splash of milk, whizzed in a blender for 20 seconds.
posted by steveno 12 years ago
In "I propose a game."
The lower 48
posted by steveno 14 years ago
In "FOX News - "
After leading the pre-invasion propaganda effort, perhaps they are thinking "It's OUR country now, we can name it whatever we like!"
posted by steveno 14 years ago
In "Curious George is in the tank."
To me, "in the tank" comes from in the drunk tank", i.e., too pissed to give a shit.
posted by steveno 15 years ago
In "Republican Congressman Charged, Bailed, Busted."
I'd like to think I deserve better.
posted by steveno 15 years ago
In "The science of keyboard design. "
I use an ancient, noisy IBM keyboard from the 80's with real switches under the keys. More key travel, very "clicky." Sensitive laptop keyboards drive me crazy.
posted by steveno 15 years ago
In "bmovies.com!"
"Robot Monster" is my favorite bad movie of all time, so I'm glad to see they have it. More public domain movies available via bit torrent from here.
posted by steveno 16 years ago
In "I want epaulettes on my liberal uniform!"
Perhaps Fox news should report that Republicans are too stupid to become Yale faculty.
posted by steveno 16 years ago
In " Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11"
He analyzed dust and found iron particles that were previously molten. But this shouldn't be surprising. The iron in any product in modern use has been smelted and would have been molten at some point in time. Steel beams can collapse into microscopic spheres? Wow!
posted by steveno 16 years ago
I don't see a report of someone taking a sample and verifying it as molten steel. Physicist Steven E Jones claims to have analyzed both a sample of the "formerly molten metal" which he says is mostly iron, and a dust sample. Some of his work is here, here and here. One could certainly attack the chain of custody on the samples he analyzes as well as question his motives, but those are just more reason why there should be a real investigation.
posted by steveno 16 years ago
Gimme a story that fits the facts, that isn't as full of holes as a stop sign on a redneck country road. Nobody seems to be able to do that, from what I've seen. I totally agree.
posted by steveno 16 years ago
There are many reports of molten steel, including from some engineers and scientists. NIST dismisses whether or not there was molten steel after the collapse as irrelevant. This is like investigating a death and saying the pool of blood on the floor under the victim is irrelevant.
posted by steveno 16 years ago
The NIST explanation for molten steel does not explain the fuel source. A furnace is never going to get hotter than the fuel can burn, and nothing in the buildings *should* have been able to burn hot enough long enough to melt steel. The only explanation for a fuel source that I have seen is in the Popular Mechanics book: a spontaneous thermite-like reaction between aluminum in the building and nearby oxides or possibly oxygen in the air. I do not think anyone has attempted to demonstrate that this reaction is possible. It certainly seems far out as such a reaction has never been seen in structure fires before. A fire fighter friend suggested plastics in the office could burn hot enough, but there would not be enough of them concentrated at one point and getting enough oxygen in a debris pile to melt steel. I'm not happy with any of the conspiracy explanations, but this is one of the nagging questions that the official narrative doesn't adequately answer.
posted by steveno 16 years ago
the steel didn't have to melt for the towers to collapse, they just had to *soften*. True the steel only had to weaken to start a collapse, but no one has offered a reasonable explanation for the molten metal found in the subasements.
posted by steveno 16 years ago
In "Bong Hits 4 Jesus"
Bong hits 4 Pat Robertson.
posted by steveno 17 years ago
In "Gerald Ford, dead at 93."
When I think of Gerald Ford, WIN always comes to mind first.
posted by steveno 17 years ago
In "TomTom? or DumbDumb "
55 and 70 . . . some scales have that as mild mental retardation 70 is 2 standard deviations below the mean and by definition retarded or whatever the politically correct term is this year. Plus it seems like lots of people lose 20 IQ points just by getting behind the wheel.
posted by steveno 17 years ago
In "Curious George: Cool sounding words."
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posted by steveno 17 years ago
In "Curious George: Xmas cookie recipes"
"Norwegian Lace Cookies" 1/2 cup butter 1 1/2 cups rolled oats 1 egg 2/3 cup sugar 1 tablespoon flour 1 teaspoon baking powder Melt butter in a sauce pan and pour over oats in a medium bowl. In a small bowl, beat the egg until light, then beat in sugar, baking powder, and flour. Combine the oats and egg mixtures. Drop by spoonfuls on a greased and floured cookie sheet. Not too close together cause they spread out. Bake 350F about 8 minutes. Cool a minute before removing from the cookie sheet. Note these are mostly butter and sugar, so have your cardiac specialist and dentist on standby.
posted by steveno 17 years ago
In "Curious George: Articles on Widescreen Vs Fullscreen"
Before 1950, all movies were (approx) 4:3. But then along came TV. Hollywood wanted a gimmick to keep people coming to threaters, so they invented the wide screen. To say one is better is like saying landscape photography is better than portrait photography.
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