It's not a battle between religious people and gay people; it's a battle between some big religions and some small religions. There are some big religions who want to impose restrictions on the state and on every other religion.When prejudice and discrimination are expressed in your culture, you can fight them with education and hope that over time people's hearts will change. However, when prejudice and discrimination are expressed in your legal system, it's time to make some new laws. It's not an either-or proposition.
Thank you both for putting into words some vague thoughts that have been kicking around in my head. Those are both wonderful arguments for doing the right thing.
And also, Yay!!
I'm always late to the party! *pout*
But I just anted to say that this is one of the reasons I love this place. Everyone is lovely to legitimate members, but anyone who comes here under false pretenses is instantly ripped to shreds. Love it.
The thing that just makes me tired is the obvious ignorance of what is actually inside these books. The fact that On Liberty gets a mention makes me very angry, even if it is a bunch of right-wing nutjobs.
Emo kid. And I was trying to be very rational and not at all emotional when answering questions. But the fact that I'm proud of myself in that I didn't get my feelings hurt by my results probably says something.
Yeah, Divine Intervention seems largely useless unless you're facing a group wipe-out and it's a last ditch effort to give you the time to get aggo off your healer. Do you sacrifice your paladin and hope the warrior can pull agro? Hmm.
But I play a Horde Shaman, so I don't know a thing about Paladins.
I can imagine exactly what that house with the gold curtains smells like. These pictures are amazingly evocative.
And I would kill for that blue triangle-print dress the redhead is wearing on the ferry. Ooh, and the green one with the peter pan collar! Wow.
Heh. I do play Warcraft, and I have the type of guild that does those kind of raids. But I haven't been in that dungeon yet (was it Molten Core?). In fact, one of the raid leaders sounds almost exactly like that. I've played EQ, EQ2, Camelot, even Anarchy Online (and I'm female! My guild leader nearly keeled over when he found out a girl had been healing his ass and doing it well. I thought we knew that girls played now?), and this is the first time I've been in a guild that does these high level raids. It's a lot more fun than I thought, seeing things designed for the truly dedicated player. Even when the entire event is scripted by the raid leader and my role is narrowly defined, it's a lot of fun to work as a team and survive high-risk pretend battles.
That said, sometimes I really just want to run into a room and get my butt kicked by a thousand dragons. But I would probably leave my group first.
Damn it. This is the second time I visited this thread. I was playing the game so well, I didn't even realize what you were talking about, do you know pomo.
Until just now. Suck!
1) Confrontational lefty liberal. Which leads to some interesting discussions with my spouse's military co-workers.
2) Another secular humanist. Also raised Catholic, so I go to Church for the comfort of ritual. Probably why I was drawn to Wicca when I was younger.
3) I do alright. On paper we made 70K last year, but a large part of that is "allowances" that we never really see.
I am totally in. Need a Warlock? Totally my favorite Hoarde class. And I am the prettiest undead girl in every group.
Is Shadowsong an RP server? What time zone is it(or did it used to be) in?
Ok, since I've been invited to share :)
Yes, as an adopted child I did go through a phase where I thought I was Little Orphan Annie and my wealthy and indulgent "real" parents were going to come and rescue me. But I quickly realized exactly how good I had it. My sister got stuck in this phase much, much longer, even threatening my mother with running away to find her real mom. Although, in her defense, things were difficult at the time. My father had been dying of brain cancer for a year and my mom was about to snap. But boy, oh, boy was it a wake-up call when her bio-mom did show up. Let's just say that this was not the woman my sister had imagined.
As far as my outlook on the whole thing, I never saw myself as less loveable or wanted. After all, there were two people that went through a hell of a lot of trouble to get the privilege of taking care of me.
I suppose normal is you and weird is everyone else, because I always thought blood related families were strange. I never could understand when school friends asked me if it was weird living with someone I wasn't releated to.
Yes, SideDish, I did read it. And I'm sorry I only reacted to the anti-adoption site. Your story was, in my experience, a much more accurate (and well written!) description, but I had a viceral reaction to the more radical element.
I'm not particularly enamoured of groups that guilt-trip young pregnant women into giving birth and then pressures them into giving up their child in a closed adoption, but I have also seen first hand the damage an unstable birth-mother can do to a child when they suddenly return out of guilt and regret. I love the idea of open adoption and I would like to see it implemented whenever the birth-parents desire to be involved in the childs life.
I also think the only correct path is to tell the child as early as possible that they are adopted and then give them reassurance that they are loved and wanted. Trying to trick a child into believing that they are the biological child of the adoptive parents almost always results in the negative aspects listed by the anti-adoption types, because it always backfires. Children are smart. And then you end up with a very confused young person who might believe that it changes something about who they are.
It just makes me so angry to hear adoptive parents called "fake" parents. Family of choice is a very serious concept with me. The people who love you are your family, and you are not in any way obligated to the people you share blood with if they are horrible people.
Again, I am totally off the thread's topic, and I'm really sorry.
I'm not one to cry offense very often, but that anti-adoption site did it for me. As a well-adjusted adoptee, that is the most offensive thing I can think of.
My birth-person is not my mother. My mother fed me and taught me to read and took me to dozens of doctors demanding every test in the book until one smart doctor finally realized that I was deaf. I know I'm a little defensive of my mother, but to say that my family is a lie is truly hideous. My family is my family. There are no asterisks, no exceptions in my mind.
And my mother (my father too, but he died many years ago) taught me to think of my birth-person as the closest thing to a saint not cannonized by the Pope. Because here was a woman willing to carry me to term (when she obviously had no desire for a child) and give me (with full knowledge that it meant forever)to a family that desperately wanted a child to love.
And yes, I know that my original birth certificate was destroyed. I know that if I ever want a full medical history for myself it will be an uphill, and most likely fruitless, battle. That really matters very little to me when I was so well-loved and cared for. And still am, to this day.
Sorry for the derail, seeing as how my adoption was domestic, but that just really irked me.
I'm curious if this also carries over to other types of chronic pain. The study seemed to focus on pain caused my nerve damage or impingement.
If it did, it would go a long way towards explaining the fog and clumsiness of some people with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia.
You know, all the women in my family had hysterectomies by 35 (7 women total) due to rampant endometriosis. Quite the coincidence. It looks like I might have a bit of it myself as well. My uterus is tipped all the way over to the left. Sitting on the fallopian tube and ovary, I suspect. My last "scoot down a little more, dear," appointment was not at all pleasant.
And now you all know way too much about my internal organs. You're welcome.
Mothninja is totally right about overdoing it with the exercise. So I'll say it again , take it very slowly at first. But the key is to do something, even when you feel terrible.
The Guaifenesin Protocol has always seemed a little odd to me. I don't understand how a cough medicine works on a thing like FMS.
I love you all
posted by Elsbet 18 years ago
In "Same-sex marriage legislation passes!"
It's not a battle between religious people and gay people; it's a battle between some big religions and some small religions. There are some big religions who want to impose restrictions on the state and on every other religion. When prejudice and discrimination are expressed in your culture, you can fight them with education and hope that over time people's hearts will change. However, when prejudice and discrimination are expressed in your legal system, it's time to make some new laws. It's not an either-or proposition. Thank you both for putting into words some vague thoughts that have been kicking around in my head. Those are both wonderful arguments for doing the right thing. And also, Yay!!
posted by Elsbet 18 years ago
In "Click here to see the story and photo."
<3!
posted by Elsbet 18 years ago
In "Check out the Scaminator 3000"
I'm always late to the party! *pout* But I just anted to say that this is one of the reasons I love this place. Everyone is lovely to legitimate members, but anyone who comes here under false pretenses is instantly ripped to shreds. Love it.
posted by Elsbet 18 years ago
In "The Ten Most Harmful Books"
The thing that just makes me tired is the obvious ignorance of what is actually inside these books. The fact that On Liberty gets a mention makes me very angry, even if it is a bunch of right-wing nutjobs.
posted by Elsbet 18 years ago
In "It's cold & rainy: let's all take a personality defect quiz!"
Emo kid. And I was trying to be very rational and not at all emotional when answering questions. But the fact that I'm proud of myself in that I didn't get my feelings hurt by my results probably says something.
posted by Elsbet 18 years ago
In "Leroy Jenkins!"
Yeah, Divine Intervention seems largely useless unless you're facing a group wipe-out and it's a last ditch effort to give you the time to get aggo off your healer. Do you sacrifice your paladin and hope the warrior can pull agro? Hmm. But I play a Horde Shaman, so I don't know a thing about Paladins.
posted by Elsbet 18 years ago
In "Photos of an unknown family"
I can imagine exactly what that house with the gold curtains smells like. These pictures are amazingly evocative. And I would kill for that blue triangle-print dress the redhead is wearing on the ferry. Ooh, and the green one with the peter pan collar! Wow.
posted by Elsbet 18 years ago
In "Leroy Jenkins!"
Heh. I do play Warcraft, and I have the type of guild that does those kind of raids. But I haven't been in that dungeon yet (was it Molten Core?). In fact, one of the raid leaders sounds almost exactly like that. I've played EQ, EQ2, Camelot, even Anarchy Online (and I'm female! My guild leader nearly keeled over when he found out a girl had been healing his ass and doing it well. I thought we knew that girls played now?), and this is the first time I've been in a guild that does these high level raids. It's a lot more fun than I thought, seeing things designed for the truly dedicated player. Even when the entire event is scripted by the raid leader and my role is narrowly defined, it's a lot of fun to work as a team and survive high-risk pretend battles. That said, sometimes I really just want to run into a room and get my butt kicked by a thousand dragons. But I would probably leave my group first.
posted by Elsbet 18 years ago
In "Curious George...<i>Rectum!</i>"
Damn it. This is the second time I visited this thread. I was playing the game so well, I didn't even realize what you were talking about, do you know pomo. Until just now. Suck!
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
In "Curious George: Tactlessness"
1) Confrontational lefty liberal. Which leads to some interesting discussions with my spouse's military co-workers. 2) Another secular humanist. Also raised Catholic, so I go to Church for the comfort of ritual. Probably why I was drawn to Wicca when I was younger. 3) I do alright. On paper we made 70K last year, but a large part of that is "allowances" that we never really see.
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
In "World of Warcraft!"
I am totally in. Need a Warlock? Totally my favorite Hoarde class. And I am the prettiest undead girl in every group. Is Shadowsong an RP server? What time zone is it(or did it used to be) in?
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
In "News Flash!!"
Paraphrasing Sars: Dear Government, Please do not make our children more stupid on purpose. Thank you.
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
In "Can you beat the computer?"
I stumped it with Special Agent Dale Cooper.
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
In "International Adoption"
Ok, since I've been invited to share :) Yes, as an adopted child I did go through a phase where I thought I was Little Orphan Annie and my wealthy and indulgent "real" parents were going to come and rescue me. But I quickly realized exactly how good I had it. My sister got stuck in this phase much, much longer, even threatening my mother with running away to find her real mom. Although, in her defense, things were difficult at the time. My father had been dying of brain cancer for a year and my mom was about to snap. But boy, oh, boy was it a wake-up call when her bio-mom did show up. Let's just say that this was not the woman my sister had imagined. As far as my outlook on the whole thing, I never saw myself as less loveable or wanted. After all, there were two people that went through a hell of a lot of trouble to get the privilege of taking care of me. I suppose normal is you and weird is everyone else, because I always thought blood related families were strange. I never could understand when school friends asked me if it was weird living with someone I wasn't releated to.
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
Yes, SideDish, I did read it. And I'm sorry I only reacted to the anti-adoption site. Your story was, in my experience, a much more accurate (and well written!) description, but I had a viceral reaction to the more radical element. I'm not particularly enamoured of groups that guilt-trip young pregnant women into giving birth and then pressures them into giving up their child in a closed adoption, but I have also seen first hand the damage an unstable birth-mother can do to a child when they suddenly return out of guilt and regret. I love the idea of open adoption and I would like to see it implemented whenever the birth-parents desire to be involved in the childs life. I also think the only correct path is to tell the child as early as possible that they are adopted and then give them reassurance that they are loved and wanted. Trying to trick a child into believing that they are the biological child of the adoptive parents almost always results in the negative aspects listed by the anti-adoption types, because it always backfires. Children are smart. And then you end up with a very confused young person who might believe that it changes something about who they are. It just makes me so angry to hear adoptive parents called "fake" parents. Family of choice is a very serious concept with me. The people who love you are your family, and you are not in any way obligated to the people you share blood with if they are horrible people. Again, I am totally off the thread's topic, and I'm really sorry.
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
I'm not one to cry offense very often, but that anti-adoption site did it for me. As a well-adjusted adoptee, that is the most offensive thing I can think of. My birth-person is not my mother. My mother fed me and taught me to read and took me to dozens of doctors demanding every test in the book until one smart doctor finally realized that I was deaf. I know I'm a little defensive of my mother, but to say that my family is a lie is truly hideous. My family is my family. There are no asterisks, no exceptions in my mind. And my mother (my father too, but he died many years ago) taught me to think of my birth-person as the closest thing to a saint not cannonized by the Pope. Because here was a woman willing to carry me to term (when she obviously had no desire for a child) and give me (with full knowledge that it meant forever)to a family that desperately wanted a child to love. And yes, I know that my original birth certificate was destroyed. I know that if I ever want a full medical history for myself it will be an uphill, and most likely fruitless, battle. That really matters very little to me when I was so well-loved and cared for. And still am, to this day. Sorry for the derail, seeing as how my adoption was domestic, but that just really irked me.
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
In "Chronic pain kills your brain."
I'm curious if this also carries over to other types of chronic pain. The study seemed to focus on pain caused my nerve damage or impingement. If it did, it would go a long way towards explaining the fog and clumsiness of some people with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia.
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
In ""
You know, all the women in my family had hysterectomies by 35 (7 women total) due to rampant endometriosis. Quite the coincidence. It looks like I might have a bit of it myself as well. My uterus is tipped all the way over to the left. Sitting on the fallopian tube and ovary, I suspect. My last "scoot down a little more, dear," appointment was not at all pleasant. And now you all know way too much about my internal organs. You're welcome.
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
Mothninja is totally right about overdoing it with the exercise. So I'll say it again , take it very slowly at first. But the key is to do something, even when you feel terrible. The Guaifenesin Protocol has always seemed a little odd to me. I don't understand how a cough medicine works on a thing like FMS.
posted by Elsbet 19 years ago
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