November 10, 2004

• I'm already 'looking at all' through my No. 1.
• There's also more then a few reasons to switch from 1.0 PR to 1.0 Final.
• Joining the minority myself. I twiddleing my thumbs waiting for everyonelse to get off the extensions site so I can get the l337! laguage pack.
• Any safari users see a reason to switch?
• BECAUSE ITS LUNIX IN DISGUISE YOU COMMIE PINKO FAG.
• Hectorinwa: I'm actually thinking of switching because of the improved "find" bar (it shows up at the bottom of the screen, and makes scanning through massive documents a breeze compared to the Safari find window). The only thing holding me back really is that it's a bit slower than Safari, and I can't get it to open tabs by pressing the middle mouse button. Also, what Richer said, because he's got conviction, dammit.
• I can't get it to open tabs by pressing the middle mouse button. To be honest, that's reason enough for me. *returns to Opera Pit of Shame*
• I don't switch 'cause I use OmniWeb, but perhaps I'll peruse, just for good measure.
• Another Omniweb user here (and sometimes Safari). Firefox is good but has a tendency to slow down after a while and I need a browser strong enough to hang with me all day. I've got internets to see.
• On my older dual 867MHz G4 and 1GHz PowerBook G4, I find FireFox and Camino are faster to render pages than Safari is. For some reason, they're a lot faster. The FireFox 1.0PR is rather crash-prone, though, and Camino is a little bit faster (especially in startup times) so I tend to use it the most. As far as site compatibility, though, I haven't noticed anything major.. Safari tends to render my bank's website weird (the unsecure and secure websites are the same, except the unsecure one redirects to the secure one - Safari renders the unsecure one completely and slowly first and then processes the redirect). It bugged me enough to stop using Safari.
• If I had a Mac (and I'd so like to have one) I would wait until at least Firefox 1.1 was out before trying. From the developer blogs I read, the Mac port for 1.0 was kinda rushed.
• I have the Firefox 1.0 preview release...has it changed at all?
• the meh said: can't get it to open tabs by pressing the middle mouse button and Mfpb 2 21 concurred, but: Does for me... I'm using FF on Win2K tho. YMMV, i admit.
• I can't understand why anyone doesn't use Firefox.
• Ex-Safari user here. Firefox is awesome- the 'find' bar and the web-developer's toolbar are invaluable. I've found Firefox to be faster than Safari except when I'm trying to demonstrate to my wife that Firefox is better, at which times it always crashes.
• Also there is this potentially life-saving extension.
• I have to admit that I didn't completely switch to FF until a Google Bar extension was available. But now I love it.
• prismatic7: The middle-click not-working thing is a Mac-only bug, if I recall. See thusly. Alas, I'm having some upgrade bumps here on XP...
• If I were a Mac user, I'd hang out for a release of Camino built off 1.0. The "force links to open in tabs" option is a godsend. Praise the developers!
• some testing: the 'save link' from the right click menu just froze me (Win XP)
• bugmenot extension got axed in the new version, anyone heard of a fix yet?
• Screw Camino and Safari - I want form elements I can style with css, and the ability to tab between hyperlinks (even if it requires a user.js hack). Little bit of trivia here - the Canadian News Website I'm working for report and almost 100% gain in Mozilla hits in the last 6 months or so. We're at 10% now (doesn't sound like much but if you've been watching the numbers for the last 5 years...), and there's no way our users are mostly geeks. Watch out IE.
• Have 1.0PR. Downloading 1.0 right now. My only major problem with Firefox is that it's not Linux enough. It was originally intended for Windows but the other platforms came free with their design, and it shows. Just annoying things like it not always taking into account the difference between administrators and users, not being able to run more than one copy as the same user on one machine, that thing where it brings up the profile selection dialogue when I run firefox when it's already running. Sure, it's great on my weensy little two-node home LAN, but I'd hate to have to administer it on a real network or on a terminal server.</geek>
• Um. I just downloaded it and I'm using it right now. The middle button thing must be a mac-only problem because i'm on Windows ME and it's working splendidly.
• firefox crashed when I tried to access gmail on my mac. Mozilla doesnt. I don't know, maybe the 1.0 will work better.
• Don't forget to roll the version number back to be able to reinstall the extensions that haven't been updated yet.
• Forgive me a UI rant (I have lots), but... there is about one thing I want to be able to do *really* easily in a browser: go back a page. Opera allows me to either press "z" (where my left hand is) or use a fantastically easy "mouse gesture" (where my right hand could be) to go back. Both of those make sense - so much sense that they are apparently outlawed elsewhere in the UI world. Every other browser requires pressing ALT-Left arrow (why the combo? I know, scrolling L/R), a right-click context menu selection, or a GUI arrow in the corner of the screen. OK, there's the backspace key too. None are handy, I tell ya. The whole keyboard is essentially unused in a browser - and I can't assign a simple, handy key to go back a page, or any other simple action, in any browser. So I keep using Opera, just because I like to be able to do as little as possible to go back a page. And that's all I have to say about that.
• I'm using 0.9 on window$ (earlier on Linux, which is more of a pain to upgrade, at least it was a year ago...), and I was wondering why I should upgrade (if it ain't broke...) when I clicked on catachresis' link and read that I could force clicks to open in a new tab... mmmmm... After you get used to tabbed browsing, having a new window pop up on top of what you're reading seems like an outrageous imposition. Monkey like!
• As relates this to FPP, I meant to say that - Firefox could be different in that regard, but is not!
• outrigger - Firefox has, among others, the same mouse gesture to which you refer. (Never tried Opera, so I don't know what I'm missing.)
• Hey Skrik, thanks for that link. That's my biggest problem with upgrading Firefox.
• Little things are important. It bugs me to no end to be on someone else's browser and try to hold down and click on a link, thinking that it will load in another tab in the background while I continue reading this page...
• outrigger: "The whole keyboard is essentially unused in a browser - and I can't assign a simple, handy key to go back a page" Well, for an easy, large target to press to go back... you could press "Backspace." Or, you could try a mouse gesture extension as Token Meme suggested. As for the other... In Firefox, the whole keyboard is used when you turn on Find-as-you-type. For example, I saw tracicle thank Skrik for providing a link, so I simply started typing "skrik" to have my window instantly scroll to the comment (Pressing Ctrl+G to switch between cases where "skrik" shows up). I know that it's possible to activate FAYT in Opera, but the Ctrl+F slows me down, and I've yet to find a way to deactivate it via keyboard so that the other Opera keyboard functions can be used again. Also, it seems you can't follow found/highlighted links in Opera by pressing "Enter". But different folks, strokes, etc. To a large extent, Opera versus Firefox is the new Mac vs PC. One is expensive, the other cheap (free). One features tight integration of features, the other provides a larger body of developer support (extensions). One seems to be stuck in a niche position, while the other seems to be gaining popularity and attention. Luckily, the comparision doesn't hold when you bring up intent: both are on the side of good. Against the evil monopoly of...Unix/IE? Hmmm. Must find drawing board.
• I just posted this over in the other Firefox thread, but Mac users who want to get Firefox running as fast as Safari should see these tips. They worked for me--on my 733mhz G4, Firefox 1.0PR is now running like a dream. Admittedly, it is a boring dream where I am sitting at my computer surfing the web, and not an exciting dream where I have the powers of flight and invisibility, but you can only expect so much from a browser.
• outrigger love mouse gestures? Try stroke it. Will give windows and other programs mouse gestures (programmable too). I stuck with Opera partly for the same reson til I found this utility. New firefox? I love the browser but I installed v.1 and most of my extentions don't function anymore and ctrl+F brings up 'find' but I can no longer close it! Could in the pre-release. Going to roll back to the pre-release until they fix this.
• Why? Not allowed to install new software at The Place That Is Not Home. Sorry. If I had a geek cred card I'd turn it in, but I don't think I was ever issued one. ...I'm not allowed to be here, either, but that's another issue.
• The only complaint I have with Firefox is the various extensions that don't allow themselves to be updated when I install new(est) versions of the browser. I see where skrik links to a page that allows you to roll-back the version number. It's a handy fix (I guess) if you are aware of it, but it shouldn't be necessary. I wonder how many people who are new to Firefox will give up on it the first time they update and find that some of their extensions no longer function.
• Actually there is a version called Portable Firefox that is meant to fit on a usb drive and doesn't need to be installed at all. I use it at school because I refuse to use IE unless I can absolutely help it. So, depending on the penalties, one could use that at work (and claim that you didn't install it, since technically you didn't...) But you have to judge for yourself how anal the workplace is.
• A well-written critique of Firefox. Yes, believe it or not, it's not true that...

  Everybody LOVES Firefox. Not only is it a great browser, but it will make your teeth whiter and secure you a date with Carmen Electra.

• My teeth are white and Firefox makes me smile. Life is good.
• I can't get it to cooperate with Juno. I am sad; I miss the little guy. It either tells me my proxy server needs checking, or attempts to dial "2222" as my access number. I am not savvy enough computer-wise to figure this out.
• I fuckin' love Firefox. I mean, I fuckin' LOVE it. At last a browser that does what I want it to. Now send me money, you sick fucks.
• *digs into pockets and only finds lint* Sorry nostril S.O.L. here here have a )
• Here's a million virtual bucks, Nostril, in celebration of your epiphany.
• IE's share of the browser market in the U.S. has slipped below 90% about damn time!
• Heh. 98% in China.