i think a good point was made in the coverage post mortems of kerry not doing a clinton and outlining a position not despite personal belief, religous or otherwise.
you can't fool all of the people all of the time
or bother to try to please them
*lack of sobriety planned and accomplished*
Funny, just the other day God came to me in the shower and said one word, "Pornography," but the rest of the story didn't turn out the same at all....
cheap shot, I know, but I'm just dying to comment on anything besides U.S. politics..
porn is always first in any new medium
new millenial medium:
religion
DIY!
I was totally expecting these guys to be making Christian porn somehow. Debbie does Ephesus, The Prodigious Son, Balaam's Hot Asses, etc. etc. Hell, use Song of Solomon - it practically directs itself. If gazelle-breasted, spice-laden tower-necked women do it for you, that is.
I wonder if it will end up like Orgasmo.
Seriously, I can't believe that someone can be quoted as hearing a voice in the shower telling them to do stuff and the reporter leaving it at that.
Zopulon, my connection to the 32nd parallel dimension told me to bring that up. They are that kind of hive mind.
Seriously, I can't believe that someone can be quoted as hearing a voice in the shower telling them to do stuff and the reporter leaving it at that.
We don't live in reality anymore. Everything is a faith-based existential dream. Even that guy with the spiky hair is $%&^*& hot as &@@$( in my dreams.
'Porn Patrol' would be a great name for a band.
I would like to quote one person's response to these yahoos.. (sorry, I forgot the guy's name, but the song is quite funny!)
"Keep your Jesus off my penis, and your bible off my balls, keep your prayers out of my ears, and your crosses off my walls. You can keep your Virgin Mary, and the Resurrection too, just keep your Jesus off my penis, and I'll keep my penis off of you."
*i don't care if it rains or freezes
long as i got my plastic cheeses
riding in the grillwork of my car
gimme just one sweet ma donna
singing songs and sitting on a
pedastle of martinis and cigars*
penis penis penis
penis all day long
penis penis penis
penis penis song
Awww, bog dat!
On a more serious note (after spending around ten minutes coming up with Bible-based porn title names with little success), internet porn is *incredibly* popular among teenage Christians. (I say this having been involved heavily in the Presbyterian and *shudder* Pentecostal youth groups at my church and school when I was 15-17) The pressure against all forms of sexuality from many churches means that any and all sexual activity is forced as far out of public as possible. But it's next to impossible to keep a teenager away from sex, so the only plausible / least 'sinful' alternative alternative for many is porn, which they consider dirty and shameful but is easy enough to hide. They grow up with this sense that all sex is dirty, and so they turn to porn, which only increases the shame/dirtiness of sex since it's the most essentialized form of raw sex available. It's a self-perpetuating cycle that I think keeps a lot of people away from any kind of healthy attitude about sex for life.
If these two guys are actually interested in "discussing" pornography, and trying to understand why so many Christians are becoming obsessed with it, more power to them. But it sounds as if they're just adding more stigma to sex (by making "accountability" programs to stop porn). Porn is not the problem, or even a problem. It's the whole attitude towards sex that most of Christianity has which is causing this, and porn is only a minor surface breach of the giant, lulling behemoth that is repressed sexuality.
I'm just glad my parents were ridiculously liberal in their Christianity (as opposed to all my christian friends, who were crazy-fundamental), and put no pressure on me at all about staying abstinent, etc. while I was still Christian. So many of the people around me while I was still in it were so frustrated and misguided in that department that I doubt they'll ever have a really fulfilling sex life. Even in the most 'perfect' of christian couples, where their 'bond is deeper than physical', I've seen the guy almost crying talking about how addicted to porn he was, and how he was so ashamed and thought he was a freak, and I'd always think You two would probably have great, satisfying sex lives if you just aimed your genitals away from the computer screens and at each other... But of course, it's never that simple. Ah well, thanks for the link, Alex - it's always worthwhile to remember what I left behind every now and then. And apologies for the venting.
While I don't think what they're doing is all that outrageous, I have to wonder whether the Voice in the Shower wasn't giving him advice which he misinterpreted.
Have any of you heard those noises in the show, caused by water sounds bouncing back and forth off the tiles? I have, but, so far, they haven't said anything in my language. I'll let you know if that changes.
kudos meh... I grew up in an agnostic family, by American standards (but, Buddhist really), and I must say that I didn't lose my virginity until I was 18. *cue jokes about women not wanting to sleep with me* I did, however, view porn way before then. It didn't cause me to objectify women, it was simply spank material. My girlfriend has no objection to porn, and knows that I view such material. It isn't a detriment to our love life, and she has expressed interest in viewing such material. I feel no guilt, no matter the subject, as it's fantasy. The same as shooting someone in a video game. It's simply not real... just like God.
While I don't think what they're doing is all that outrageous, I have to wonder whether the Voice in the Shower wasn't giving him advice which he misinterpreted.
Have any of you heard those noises in the show, caused by water sounds bouncing back and forth off the tiles? I have, but, so far, they haven't said anything in my language. I'll let you know if that changes.
sorry.
those voices in the shower are persistent, aren't they path?
The Meh - good points. A friend of mine went to Louisiana on a running scholarship. As an agnostic or aetheist Australian (I'm not sure which he was at the time), he found the repressive Christianity and acting out around sex quite disturbing.
I really had no exposure to porn when I was a youngster - I think a friend showed me a penthouse centrefold once, when I was too young to 'appreciate' it.
I'm blind!
"'Virgin' Marie lay back in the bath as Gabriel soaped her, grazing his lips as it whispered in her ear, 'I'm just the messenger, but the word is very long--"
That was a great read, H!
I once sang in a big Baptist church where they had the big baptizin' tank under a big trap-door-lid affair right behind the pulpit. There wasn't enough room in the choir loft for the whole group, so some of us sat on chairs on top of the lid. Every time we stood up to sing, the floor would wobble precariously under us until we were sure we were about to crash through it into the drink.
I'll second that! Fantastic!
This story reminds me exactly of a former girlfriend's family - though it was her father that suddenly became transformed when he met his new girlfriend (who's father happened to be the "preacher" of some crazy ass "church"). I went a couple times, and was quite transfixed on how bizarre and wild the sermons became (also, with a creepy organ accompamiant). I'll never forget how the preacher suddenly exclaimed that satan was in our midst... he made everyone drop to their knees until satan "showed" himself. After 5 minutes or so, a couple walked forward holding a newborn baby. After some hushed whispers, the preacher exclaimed, "The devil is here!!!" while placing his hand on the newborns forehead. He said that the parents used drugs, and were evil people. The entire church then began hooping and hollering, jumping around yelling in tongues for a good 15 minutes. The preacher proclaimed "victory!" and that satan was defeated. Wow, I could have used a beer with that!
) to pete...
You can keep your Virgin Mary, and the Resurrection too, just keep your Jesus off my penis, and I'll keep my penis off of you."