October 01, 2004

• Where's my sock?
• I dont get it.
• cool! i don't blog but i'd love to send a snap of my lucious (if i don't say so myself) 40-Ds. downright farkalicious idea. and NO BAG OVER THE HEAD JOKES, GENTLEMEN. as we know have learned from previous threads, it is most distressing to women to be reduced to their sexual organs. in fact, some women find that tantamount to violence against them. oh, wait... most of these photos don't have faces. reducing the women to... um... their sexual parts... never mind, carry on. (and, just for the record, i STILLLLLL want to fuck hamid karzai, bag or no. hee hee.)
• and NO BAG OVER THE HEAD JOKES, GENTLEMEN Why would anyone make that kind of joke?
• does that mean I should take mine off then?
• no, pete, *men* can wear bags. you just can't suggest putting them on *women*. if you want to fantasize about having sexual intercourse, that is. with them. not the bag. don't you know the RULES? come on!
• Are these bags plastic? Are we talking about asphyxiation here? Cos hoo boy, that really gets the ol' juices flowing. Well, at least until someone passes out.
• you mean like roy orbison in cling film, unc? hey, wait a minute, we're supposed to be celebrating boobies here!!
• I am constantly celebrating boobies. Still, nice that they have a special week for them.
• as we know have learned from previous threads Looks like some people are slow learners.
• Ugh!!
• spackle, i don't see your blog listed!! come on, flash 'em for us!! it's for charity!!!
• So, which one of Bush's daughters has better knockers?
• >>Looks like some people are slow learners. obviously some of are, spackle! so please teach us: is focusing on faceless boobies horribly dehumanizing to women, or a fun charity event? apparently, you are the final arbiter in this decision. meanwhile, i'm going to email the boobiethon folks to see if a nonblogger may participate. *hopeless exhibitionist*
• Oh, how marvellous. Let's be crass, puerile and tee-hee-sniggery-lookit-the-tits for a good cause. I do so adore humanity.
• hey hey hey - you're cutting into my celebrating here . . .
• oh, poo, does this mean you don't want to see my lucious 40Ds, decani? ;-D i've emailed the boobie organizers, to see if i may participate although i am blogless. if i can, mine will be the ones with some kind of monkey perched nearby! or perhaps between them! hee hee!!!
• ...lucious 40Ds... see if you can include in the photo that tattoo that you are so dang proud of.
• Ahhh, whatever. I thought this was an amusing and weirdly unique way to raise money for breast cancer research. The Susan G. Komen Foundation took the boobie money last year, so I guess they don't have a problem with it either. Others are certainly welcome to disagree. And tracicle is more than welcome to delete the post if she thinks it's inappropriate.
• Decani: Is that stick uncomfortable?
• so remember, gentlemen, it's OK to admire/fantasize about faceless boobies *if you pay money to do it.* THAT'S the key. meanwhile, i'll be the one with some kind of monkey in/around my tits.
• what tattoo, squid?
• I have in the past been, yet remain, and will continue to be, staunchly pro-boobie. /voice=Zbignew Brzezinski
• I am definitely pro-boobies too. let us know how you get on SideDish, though me being a married chappy these days, I'm strictly supporting you for participating in a charitable cause.
• "Really, really proud. Of my tattoo. It says ANDY. On my ass."
• I love boobies and tits.
• Those links were WILDLY disappointing, squiddy.
• It's a serious disease, but thankfully both my grandmothers survived radical masectomies. But I know I am at risk, and I try to take it seriously. Sadly, my own boobs are insignificant in size, but I'm always glad to wrap myself in cling wrap for the cause! Just have to find the right sponsor, so to speak...
• Whadja go ahead and post that for, Spackle? Lookat'em. They're all runnin' around with squishy socks and bags over their head. Like they've never seen boobs before.
• I seriously considered sending a picture... really, had it cropped and ready to go... then my boyfriend said, "Just wait until I tell the kids." in reference to the kids on the high school robotics team I volunteer on... sigh. Oh well, thanks for the mammaries.
• Jeez, don't any of these girls own a decent set of pasties?
• SideDish: I don't particularly want to see your tits, no. I'd rather see some signs of your intelligence and thoughtfulness before we take things any further. I'm old-fashioned that way. Rodgerd: I imagine you find making stick/arse jibes about someone who questions the need for thinly-veiled sexism and gratuitous tit-slinging makes you a thoroughly witty and broad-minded FHM reader... oh sorry, I meant "chap". My commiserations for the evident lack of nous which will prevent you from ever understanding that this is not, in fact, so.
• monkeybashi! troll alert!
• Troll alert? I'm trolling because I express my honest opinion about a link and because I defend myself against a personal slur? Hmm. I suspect I'm not long for this site, in that case. I'd been led to expect better. Far better.
• (oh, and just for squid *and* decani, here's the infamous "ass tatt" thread.... unfortunately, my tatt jpg has been deleted by its host. sigh.)
• >>I'd rather see some signs of your intelligence and thoughtfulness you say that after having been a member for only a few days? sorry, sir, that's trolling, plain and simple. we play nice here. we'd love to have you along, if you also do. snide and snarky comments add nothing to the conversation. again, we welcome you. just please don't start off on the proverbial wrong foot.
• (oh, and if you do decide to leave -- which i hope you don't -- you might find the atmosphere more conducive to your style at Metafilter. we're a kinder, gentler version of that. our motto: MonkeyFilter is a Metafilter clone, only with more bananas and less flinging.)
• snide and snarky comments add nothing to the conversation. And yet, your first comment in this thread was both snide and sarcastic, and a continuation of an argument in a month old thread.
• oh, come on, dng, you don't see the irony between spackle's prevoius strong indignation over women being treated as body parts, and her posting this thread? i'm just sayin'...
• (make that previous. still on first cup of coffee.)
• I'm down with ya SideDish.
• OK, two cups of coffee in me now. must remember not to post half-asleep. on second thought, dng, you are right. but i couldn't resist teasing spackle over the delicious irony. if i insulted anyone with my attempt at humor, especially spackle, i apologize. THAT SAID, i *still* think this is a cool idea and i'm glad spackle posted it, i wouldn't have known about it otherwise. i've heard back from the boobiefolks and i will indeed be participating! i'll put mofi on the list as my "unofficial" blog so we'll have a presence there. *if* that's OK with you guys, that is. let me know if anyone feels that inappropriate. and spackle, i still think you should do this with me! that would make two monkey boobies in the boobieathon! or four, if you're counting per-boobie. any three-boobie monkeys out there? then we could make it seven!
• I actually do have a supernumerary nipple, but it looks more like a mole than a true tit. Nonetheless, I volunteer, even as mine aren't lucious 40' Ds.
• monkeyfilter: looks more like a mole than a true tit heh
• Sidedish: how is my telling you that I'd rather see signs of your intelligence than your tits, trolling? It's the truth. I am not the sort of callow, puerile dullard who finds sniggering, mammary-flashing websites especially exciting or noteworthy, I'm afraid. I'm sorry if you find this objectionable of me. I expressed my opinion on this link without making any personal references or ad homs. You then jokingly suggested I might not want to see your tits. My response was honest and not at all insulting. I genuinely would rather see your intelligence than your norks. I'm sorry if this offends you and you'd rather flash your tits than your wits. I have read the FAQ and I have been following Monkeyfilter threads for several weeks prior to joining. I have seen many instances of not 'playing nice', of snide remarks and outright insults: certainly far more provocative things than my remarks here. My response to you was honest; my response to Rodgerd was a reasonable reaction to someone who had suggested I have a stick up my arse. I notice you choose not to take Rodgerd to task for that. Apparently some forms of snarkiness and snideness are more acceptable than others. Perhaps being an old-timer rather than a newbie factors into the equation somewhere? I would happily try Metafilter were it not for the fact that they're not taking new members. On the basis of this thread I'd certainly say they have a more robust constitution than Monkeyfilterers.
• you have my apologies, decani. you haven't been around long enough for any of us monkeys to know your style. i admit that perhaps i've just jumped to the wrong conclusion. as i said, i do hope you stay and continue to contribute, just as i hope mofi remains the friendly place it's been since its inception.
• Actually, can we have a moritorium on all stick/arse or anal jokes? I got called anal a while ago, and it ranked incrediably (it was over mistaken meaning) - it's terribly annoying, and there is nothing you can say about it (unlike other insults), because then you look anal*. We all have different things we feel strongly about or take on different levels of seriousness. In general, it would help the collegial atmostphere if we all took any comments regarding the maturity of a thread and quietly muttered to ourselves rather than posting, and certainly that goes double for any comments regarding the tightness of anyone else's posterier. (Maybe collegiality is a better way to describe a good online presence than "friendly" - a certain politeness in relating to one another that smooths relations). This would have all been a much more interesting discussion if we could have talked about, for instance, the nature of breasts as a sexual object in western culture, and the subsequent titilation seeing them - which is not universal. Also, is this link about "tit-slinging" or is it about women reclaiming the right to show their breasts, and also raising money for research into a disease which often attacks a woman's essential sense of womanhood? Either interpretation could be correct. Though I did just think that one could answer that "I would rather be anal retentive than having faeces running down my legs and onto the page". Oh, I am so childish.
• good points, jb. one more thing before i must go do (sigh) laundry: i think it would be great if a few *male* monkeys offered up shots of their great (or fuzzy or whatever) pecs to the boobiethon. men's breast cancer does indeed exist, although it isn't much discussed. having a few pecs to admire would also raise that awareness!
• I am not the sort of callow, puerile dullard who finds sniggering, mammary-flashing websites especially exciting or noteworthy, I'm afraid. I'm sorry if you find this objectionable of me. I'll tell you what I find objectionable: calling us callow, puerile dullards. If you don't like tits, it's your loss, but why do you feel the need to shit all over this thread with your holier-than-thou attitude? You're like the shitheads in threads about TV shows that have to tell us all that they don't own a TV, and are thus superior to the rest of us boors. I like tits. I like FHM. That's not because I'm a sophomoric frat-boy, or a meatheaded neanderthal, or even a callow, puerile dullard. It's because I'm a man. Now, if we can please continue with the boobie-thon, and have no more disruptions to sanctity of this most revered and holy festival.
• What does FHM mean? (on a less serious note) Also, there are some women who like boobies. We shouldn't needlessly stereotype. Just because you're a man, doesn't mean you get to have a monopoly on breast oggling - some babies really like breasts too.
• FHM, For Him Magazine. Basically a soft core girlie magazine (lots of leg and breasts, no nipples or pubic hair) for callow, puerile dullards like me.
• we play nice here. we'd love to have you along, if you also do. snide and snarky comments add nothing to the conversation. Yeah, right, SideDish. You play SO nice. That's why you told me that rape victims deserve what they get because they're building up bad karma by having fearful thoughts. And strangely enough, that crude comment (which you never tried to explain despite my repeated requests) added absolutely nothing to the conversation. You could definitely say we "started off on the wrong foot" there. You don't remember this, obviously, but I entered that particular poo-fight of a thread when it had already been transformed into a referendum on feminism by others. I attempted to help explain why some women might be more sensitive than others to sexually threatening jokes, and you chose to attack me in a viciously personal way. Today, as you did before, you have reinvented reality to suit your own preconceptions. Lies aren't true just because you say they are. Decani is absolutely correct that rogerd's and SideDish's personal attacks above were out of line. And I think those people attack Decani for the same reason they attacked me -- because they don't like newbies challenging the arbitrary rules of their little circlejerk. You don't have to be a founding member of MoFi to recognize a stupid comment when you see one, because the stupid comments really stand out in the crowd here. Most MoFi comments I've read so far have been smart, discerning and often very funny. But I've also read plenty of SideDish's comments, which are usually about as subtle as a trainwreck and twice as loud. So I'm with Decani. I'm disappointed and sorry that the wonderful melodic voices of MoFi are, for me, being drowned out by a few jackasses who can't hear anything outside their own echo chambers. Adios, y'all.
• I realize I put myself in danger even postin in this thread, but... I like this site, and the idea. Can't see intelligence, but can see boobies, internet happens to be very good at transmission of images and thoughts, visit the blogs of those posters, and can get the intelligence. If it helps, read the blogs before going to the picture section. I dislike the idea that intelligence somehow takes precedence over looks. If a woman tells me she loves me and doesn't care how I look, that relationship is over. I am a body. If I was perhaps more of a spiritual person and disassociated myself from my body, then I'd be OK with such differentiation. But I'm not a spiritual man. I am a body with a brain, they are the same, and can both be enjoyed. I don't need to get to know a person to realize they are attractive. But of course they can become more (or less) attractive once I know them and.. see.. their intelligence. And lastly Go Boobies!
• Aww, come on you guys. All this poo flinging over a post that deals with an imaginative and light-hearted way to support a worthy cause. If you're uncomfortable seeing the human body, then don't look. If you like boobies, fill your boots (and make a donation). Jeez! and I hope this doesn't mean we don't get to see Sidedish's 40Ds
• Yay! for the Susan G. Komen Foundation, may it continue to be a driving force behind the education and research of breast cancer!!! Thanks for the post, spackle.
• spackle - please go back and reread the original thread (as dng mentions, over a month ago). Sidedish never, EVER said that "rape victims deserve what they get because they're building up bad karma by having fearful thoughts". Though you repeated accused her of this throughout that thread, continually refusing to read what she posted then or subsequently. She never attacked you personally, but repeatedly tried to engage in a friendly discussion of a serious issue, only to be treated in a very rude manner. Yes, things got off on the wrong foot here - Decani questioned the appropriateness of the post, Sidedish over-reacted (probably because of the way you treated her last time), rogerd was rude, and I asked that everyone try to think twice before posting unconstructively (which means I probably shouldn't be posting this, but you didn't have an email listed). If everyone says they're sorry, maybe we can all play nice. I will begin - I'm sorry.
• Yes...thanks spackle. It was a great post.
• In Decani's defense, he has outright admitted to having tautological tendencies. I think that will pretty much explain virtually every comment he may make on Monkeyfilter. ;>

• rogerd was rude

  Indeed. Sexist twerps who presume to know best for women how they ought to behave tends to bring our my worst side.
• Everything between the start of this thread and this comment aside, I saw this somewhere (Mefi? I don't remember) last week and thought it was a nice idea, a good way to fundraise. You have to admit, there's always going to be camgirls (and guys) willing to bare themselves, whether for a cause or not, there will always be people willing to pay money to see it. Why not make the most of it? And yes, empowerment and the right for women to bare themselves and all that too. I did briefly think about contributing, but I have a reputation to uphold. /snerks
• jb, i've apologized over and OVER again to spackle, she refuses to accept. so, once again, just for the record, I AM INDEED SORRY THAT SPACKLE TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD MY COMMENTS IN THE BUSH DAUGHTERS THREAD. and, for the record, the blonde probably is cuter. oh, and jb, thank you for pointing out i never made that comment. spackle refuses to believe that, for some reason. i've exhausted myself trying to explain that in different ways. spackle, PLEASE. enough of this. you are totally entitled to your strong opinions about women being regarded as sexual objects, and how men commenting about that can hurt some women. THAT SAID, ***don't you see the irony in your posting a thread THAT FEATURES HEADLESS WOMEN AND THEIR TITS???*** and, sorry hon, if ANYBODY on here does something that ironic, they're gonna be teased. as they are. tell you what: i'm going to email you offline, at your blog address (i don't know why you deleted it from your bio) to settle this whole thing. perhaps if i apologize one-on-one we can put this whole stupid thing behind us. i'm tryin' here, monkeys.
• OK, i've emailed spackle a personal apology. and i'd also like to apologize to all monkeys for this weird ongoing thing. i HATE online feuds. as i told spackle, i still have no idea how a thread about which bush daughter is cuter ended up with such hurt feelings. i admit i was wrong to point out the irony in this thread, and tease spackle about it. we tease everybody a lot here, so i figured this was fair game. guess feelings were still raw about the other thread. a pledge: i hereby promise bashi and all monkeys that i will be extra careful when replying to any post from spackle. (but i still do want to reply, because she has some good posts.) i'll hold all irony/teasing/sarcasm in check and play extra nice. that should go a long way toward ending all these hard feelings. and, again, i sincerely apologize to anyone i offended, anywhere, at any time, in any way. especially diane maki in the seventh grade.
• Cool SideDish. Boobies still rock too.
• After laying down spent After the voyeristic fun My socks, so full of life, Got up to run Alarmed I rose (Though still a bit grogy) And began to hunt The footsteps, soggy I flew into the hall And found my landlady realing They'd walked up a wall And escaped through a vent on the ceiling I don't know where they went I don't really care I just glad they were both Of the same pair
• More-hurt-feelings-on-the-playground-filter. Ja ever notice that when things go awry it never seems to help to continue to post? Fuel to the fire. Doesn't even matter if you apologize clear back to the seventh grade. I'm sorry you both have your Monkey fur ruffled, but neither one of you is right. And neither one of you is wrong. Two different Monkeys. Two different points of view. GramMa sez, Play nice. Having said that, I do love how these poo-flings bring out the most yummy taglines. Monkeyfilter: for callow, puerile dullards like me Monkeyfilter: Is that stick uncomfortable? *attempts to dislodge stick
• Yay GramMa!
• thank you, gramMa, for pointing out that *everyone* here is entitled to their own opinions, as well as to debate those opinions with which we disagree. (or, i would hope, to tease each other over said opinions once in a while.) perhaps that's how this whole thing started: i was defending my opinions, and spackle might have somehow misunderstood that as an "attack" on her in a "viciously personal way." i thought we were debating an issue, not each other; again, i'm sorry if for some reason she thought otherwise. i've never, ever personally attacked anyone, online or off. period. it's just not in me. i do love to argue issues, however, and reasoning presented in discussion of issues. i haven't yet heard back from spackle in response to my "let's put this behind us and be monkeypals" email. i do hope she at least reads it, it comes from the heart. and yes, whether she responds to my email or not, i will abide my my pledge to all monkeys to play nice, especially where spackle is involved.
• and i'm taking my boobiethon boobiephotos tonight! with help from my sweetie. heh.
• SideDish, why bother with email when you're posting updates on said email? I don't mean to add fuel to the flames, but I wouldn't take too kindly to your approach if I were spackle (and I really don't know what the history is here and don't think it relevant). If you truly want to settle your differences offline and one-on-one as you claim, it's counter-productive to keep bringing it back here.
• Lordy. This is still going? Interesting. Interesting that rocket88 chooses to assume my "callow, puerile dullard" remark was personalised, when in fact it wasn't. Interesting that rocket88 also seems to think that his gender (one which I share) is sufficient in itself to justify certain of his preferences, tastes and opinions. Interesting too that on a thread where I was initially taken to task for my attitude I have now been: - told I have a stick up my arse - that I am a troll - that I am "holier-than-thou" - that I am "like the shitheads in threads about TV shows that have to tell us all that they don't own a TV" (hmm. Actually, I don't. Oh dear.) - that I am "a sexist twerp". Definitely interesting. Oh, and to the person who suggested that those of us who find "boobiethons" objectionable should simply look the other way rather than expressing our negative opinions: well, yes, I suppose so. I imagine I should probably deal with rape, racism, child porn and genocide in exactly the same way.
• This is still going? And will keep going on as long as people insist on having the last word. I have to say, Decani, you do come across as more than a little "holier-than-thou" in your comments. SideDish, I'd suggest you keep the conversation between you and spackle between yourselves from now on; we know how you feel on the topic and I hope the two of you can reach a compromise. And maybe we can all back the heck out of this trainwreck of a thread without any more snarking. Seriously.
• Yay!! A boobies thread! er...never mind.
• Uh, did Decani compare the boobie-thon to rape, rascism, child porn and genocide?
• Decani, I see your point, but don't judge us all by the comments of a few users who you haven't had good encounters with. Stick around a while, you might like us.
• I meant the being insulted point not the breasts=rape & genocide thing. Thats stretching it a bit.
• Dr. Robotnik: no, I did not compare the boobie thread to rape, racism, child porn and genocide. What I did was attempt to illustrate, using a technique known as reductio ad absurdum, that it might not be the most rational course of action to suggest those of us who find something obnoxious should deal with it by turning a blind eye and keeping our mouths shut. The idea is to make the point by using an example of something likely to be more generally offensive than the topic at hand. It's a bit like when someone tries to excuse a minor misdemeanour by saying, "Well, I was just doing what the boss told me", and one replies "Yes, I believe that's what the Auschwitz guards said". One is not trying to equate the actions of Auschwitz guards with the relatively trivial misdemeanour in question, one is trying to illustrate an underlying principle. I clearly failed in my attempt to make my point in this way: I shall try to use less subtle tactics in future. On a side note, I see Sidedish is still concerned I may be a troll and has made the following request to tracicle: "bashi, please keep an eye on decani as a potential troll." Please enlighten a clueless newbie: what action will be taken if I am indeed judged to be a troll? Barring, I assume? Will I get an email or will it just be a jolly little surprise for me? What's the form in these situations?
• Was that condescension really necessary?
• I see Sidedish is still concerned I may be a troll She said that earlier (at almost the same time she called you a troll in this thread). Will I get an email or will it just be a jolly little surprise for me? What's the form in these situations? As far as I know, only about 3 or 4 people have been banned from here, and that was for fairly impressive disruption. So I expect your safe... (As an aside, I don't think you're a troll, and I find calling people a troll the instant we disagree or clash with them to be bloody irritating behaviour)
• I also don't consider you to be a troll, and if you were you would certainly know about it before bannination would occur. I just really wish this thread was over. Or maybe we could roll back time, just a little. Yeah. So anyway, moving on.
• ...but i like boobies...
• puffins are the new boobies
• I have a great idea everyone. Gather 'round. Lets soothe this over with GMail invites! We'll all give each other invites, and bridges of trust will be formed. The extra invites (of which there will be a few thousand) can be used to create a bonfire, around which we'll talk about our emotions. A good cry will be had, some drumming will occur, and things will be great. Those who wish to show boobies will have can do so in the special non-non-boobies zone. This zone will be well covered, so as not to escape "The Zone." The extra GMail invites will be discarded. And I stand by my pro-Boobie views. I'd like to hear if Bush and Kerry are pro-Boobie or not. Also, SideDish, 40D? An object can easily fit between perhaps? I rather liked the shot with the beer being poured into a pint glass. Perhaps a similar shot with a bong, or for the more classy shot, a wine glass, or a flute of champagne?
• Now we will count to twelve and we will all keep still. This one time upon the earth let's not speak any language, let's stop for one second and not move our arms so much. It would be a delicious moment, without hurry, without locomotives, all of us would be together in a sudden uneasiness. The fishermen in the cold sea would do no harm to the whales.... Those who prepare green wars, wars of gas, wars of fire, victories without survivors, would put on clean clothing. and would walk alongside their brothers in the shade, without doing a thing. What I want shouldn't be confused with final inactivity: life alone is what matters, I want nothing to do with death. If we weren't unanimous about keeping our lives so much in motion, if we could do nothing for once, perhaps a great silence would interrupt this sadness, this never understandfing ourselves and threatening ourselves with death, perhaps the earth is teaching us when everything seems to be dead and then everything is alive. Now I will count to twelve and you keep quiet and I'll go. -- Pablo Neruda, "Keeping Quiet"
• Ah, that just reminded me of Il Postino. What a sweet movie. /off topic
• Mr. b always knows exactly what to say.
• he's the 'knees I say. why do I always miss out on these threads?
• I just want to tell you both good luck, we're all... oh, never mind.
• A night full of talking that hurts, my worst held-back secrets. Everything has to do with loving and not loving. This night will pass. Then we have work to do. (from the Kulliyat-e Shams of Rumi, trans. Coleman Barks)
• the_bone: I loved thee, Athos, once, long ago. Long, long ago, the memory still is dear. Stand face to face, friend, And let the dead past be clear Of all regrets. Sappho of Lesbos.
• Boobies + bloggers + Clinton = Satan
• Quid pro whoa. This link saved from Craigslist before being taken down.
• Heh. Real link. Looks like the guy decided he was 22, not 26, and lives in the Mission District, not Haight Ashbury.
• 22 eh.