September 22, 2004

Monkeyfilter Double Package Post Since we have a rule about only one post a day I thought I give you monkeys two posts for the price of one. Post 1 Oliver Willis has a video of Jimmy Swaggart saying the he would kill a gay man who looked at that hot ass of his with gay desire. Jimmy only wants hookers to be looking at him that way. Post 2 Wonkette has the transcript of Jon Stewart on Bill O'Reilly's show.

O'REILLY: But it is. It's true. I mean, you've got stoned slackers watching your dopey show every night, OK, and they can vote. STEWART: Yeah. O'REILLY: You can't stop them. STEWART: Yeah, I just don't know how motivated they would be, these stoned slackers. O'REILLY: Yeah, it just depends if they have to go out that day. STEWART: What am I, a Cheech and Chong movie? Stoned slackers? O'REILLY: Come on, you do the research, you know the research on your program. STEWART: No, we don't. O'REILLY: Eighty-seven percent are intoxicated when they watch it. You didn't see that? STEWART: No, I didn't realize that. O'REILLY: Yeah, we have that there. STEWART: We come on right after, I believe, puppets that make crank calls... O'REILLY: Yeah. STEWART: ... so we are, I think, the appropriate follow up...
For the record: O'Reilly was only teasing Stewart about the stoned slacker stuff. But I thought Stewart's comeback was brilliant.
posted by Sullivan 20 years ago
  • O'REILLY: What do you think Kerry wants to get out of coming on your show? STEWART: He wants to get what any politician does: access to a new constituency. He wants to get... O'REILLY: The stoned slackers. STEWART: ... that's exactly right, because the stoned slackers, this election is going to rely on the undecided. Who is more undecided than... O'REILLY: Than the stoned slacker, right. STEWART: ... the people who are high. Right now, they're thinking to themselves, ice cream or pretzels, ice cream or pretzels. Thanks, Sullivan. This is great.
  • Stoned slackers. LOL! That O'Reilly is such a cut-up. He reminds me of Satan. What a scamp.
  • My doctor said I could only have one drink a day, so make it a double! *hic*
  • I thought Stewart's comeback was brilliant My reading comprehension is shot. Can you point me to exactly which line is the brilliant comeback? Thanks.
  • Seemed to me O'Reilly was (as usual) trying to get Stewart angry and defensive...and he seemed a little annoyed that it wasn't working. But oddly enough he seemed to have a touch or respect in there as well, or maybe just some strange form of jealousy.
  • Man, I miss John Stewart. He would make it worth moving back to California. Or getting cable.
  • Stewart handled O'Reilly as deftly as a stoned slacker handles her bong. Truly, a work of art!
  • Oh, and: STEWART: We are, in fact, crass and immature. *keels over from surprise*
  • Is the US the worst among developed countries wrt tolerance for homosexuality? I'm just curious.
  • Is the US the worst among developed countries wrt tolerance for stoned slackers? I'm just curious. wrt? wrt?
  • wrt
  • Please fuyugare, take it easy on the anti-US kool-aid. Stuff will rot your brain. There are still plenty of countries where being an open homosexual can get you dead. I myself learned far more derogatory terms for gays, blacks, and just about any ethnicity and nationality in my two years in the UK and 4 years of interaction with the UK RN and RAF than I ever could have cared to have known. Should I then assume all Brits are intolerant racists as well? No. Bill O'Reilly, Network News, Prime Time TV, even Bush are not necessarily America. Sorry for the rant...the knee-jerk, predictable Anti-US stuff is really getting to me lately. Had to vent a bit before a full scale blow-up on someone happened. On Topic: "Shnicks," we call it shnicks -- shnicks and giggles. That had me rolling.
  • Bill O'Reilly isn't America.
  • Uh, what does tolerance for homosexuality have to do with John Stewart appearing on the O'Reilly Factor? Did they get it on during the commercial break or something?
  • pivo: If you're saying that the majority of Americans have progressive values, then I'll agree. Yet, the present US government engages in a lot of saber rattling on the topic of constitutional recognition of marriage. You and I can appreciate this noise for what it is, but I claim that a gay marriage ban is not impossible given the current state of US politics. If Bush wins in November, I expect the wheels on a federal gay marriage ban to start turning faster. How many other countries have allowed gay marriages to drive them to the brink of a constitutional crisis?
  • Fuyugare: I wouldn't worry too much about a looming Consitutional crisis re:Gay Marriage. The writers of the US Constitution had the good sense to make it reasonably hard to change. Rove and Co. are just using the issue as a smoke screen to distract from the fact that they are engaged in an illeagal and immoral war. On a sidenote, if Kerry doesn't work out, I am all for Stewart in 2008!
  • STP: first part of this double-dip post was on homosexuality. And about Jon Stewart - I have a totally unacceptable crush on that man. Show wasn't on yesterday because he was off winning Emmys, and I was both thrilled but also sad because I didn't get my daily dose of Jon. Sigh.
  • Most urban Americans are as tolerant as anyone. San Francisco, New York, Boston, etc.
  • I think more post need Jimmy Swaggart and Jon Stewart thrown together. Although, Jimmy may get the wrong idea.
  • If my son or nephew (or any other gay man close to my family) had the excruciatingly bad taste to leer at that repugnant bigot, I'd wonder what was wrong with them. And, if Swaggart was foolish enough to kill them, I'd consider finding a way to kill him, after some days of torture. Don't mess with my family, asshole.
  • regarding Swaggert - reading Volokh Conspiracy this morning, he refers to an article saying that "Let's kill 'em, and tell God they're dead" is an affection term of exasperation with friends/relatives in the South. So, anyone from the South care to confirm/deny? Was Swaggart just being colourful in his hate, or really truly vile? There is this book...
  • I had totally forgotten what a fine, fine ass Jimmy Swaggart has. Were I gay, he'd probably be my second stop on the crazy-preacher trail. Right after Oral Roberts, of course. How could you go with a name like Oral.
  • regarding Swaggert - reading Volokh Conspiracy this morning, he refers to an article saying that "Let's kill 'em, and tell God they're dead" is an affection term of exasperation with friends/relatives in the South. I've lived in Florida since 1987 and have never heard that. Those Volokh professors live life through books so what the hell do they know.
  • Many Daily Show episodes are available here (via bittorrent). They also have the O'Reilly Factor with Jon Stewart...
  • I've lived in Texas for almost 24 years and have never heard that phrase.
  • Google finds a few uses of TGHD in the wild: 1 2 3 4. Tis a colourful turn of phrase, but I'll buy the regionalism angle.
  • Coppermac - I read your last sentence without noticing the comma, and as such understood it in a subtly different manner to the one which was intended. For a second or two, I speculated on this communal asshole shared amongst your family members.
  • mare, may I kiss you? I gave up cable in favor of broadband and I can't tell you how many times I've said "I just wish they streamed The Daily Show." Bless you.
  • I watched the clip of Swaggart - I don't think he was kidding. You have to consider the context and the delivery. In context, he was playing to the audiences prejudices, because not a man, woman, or child in that audience would disagree with him, in that time, and in that place. Many in that audience wouldn't convict him if he did it, and some of them might help if they thought there was a reasonable chance of getting away with it. As to the manner of delivery - it sure didn't sound like a joke. There was some real anger there, not just dry delivery and the chuckle afterwards seemed more like one of nervousness, as in: "Hmmm, mighta shoulda not said that." Would Jimmy Swaggart actually do it? I couldn't say - but if he was up on charges, considering the comment, I'd have a hard time saying he didn't.
  • damn, mare, beat me to it :p
  • mare, may I kiss you? My day is good.
  • Swaggart is such a jackass. I've never heard the "tell God he's dead" phrase in 24 years in Tennessee. The closest thing we have is: "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out."
  • jon stewart went to college with my friend david. he said stewart spent his entire four years in soccer shirts/shorts and was very quiet. just a little inside detail for ya.
  • It never ceases to amaze me that conservative (mostly) Baptist preachers seem to have this idea that they are totally irresistible to gay men. Smacks of egotism, and is not becoming.
  • It's because so many Southern Baptist preachers are closet cases who survive by projecting their own warped and stifled feelings onto others, then condemning them to hell. And anyone who claims to speak for God must, perforce, have an ego the size of Texas.
  • You know, I think you're right, spackle. Combined Texas-sized ego and homosexual self-loathing = fire and brimstone. I have also always thought it takes a supremely arrogant personality to think one would make a good president. But maybe I'm retrofitting my perceptions.
  • Incidentally, I've heard that St. Paul was probably gay.
  • Nah, that's Minneapolis.
  • HOOT! Dammit, cabingirl, couldn't you wait until I was done drinking my orange juice?! Now my keyboard is allkskskitcky.
  • MonkeyFilter: Now your keyboard is all sticky. MonkeyFilter: Yes, we now the last slogan can be dangerously miscontrued. Deal with it.
  • Jon Stewart is one of the best things to happen to TV. Bill O'Reilly.......WTF, people. Again, I lament, how/why/when did he all of a sudden become someone anyone should listen to in terms of......oh, forget it...I just can't be bothered by him anymore. I suggest everyone turn their TV's off whenever he comes on. He is not someone in the 'know' and it's frightening that some people view him as such. Aaarrrggghhhh!
  • A word of advice: don't try to read the comments in this thread when you're tired: Swaggart and Stewart look way too alike, and the mishmash of different topic comments becomes really confusing. Though if you want to try it without having to wait untill you're tired, I expect one could acheive the same effect by ingesting significant amounts of alcohol, as well...
  • Thanks Sullivan! You just made the day for everyone in my office. Tho we can't stream the Stewart interview until the boss goes home, the transcript was hysterical.
  • Self-linking, here, but perhaps we should realise that what we have in the gay-marriage confrontation is a strong conflict. There are fundamental differences between how normal people see the world and how Christian fundamentalists see the world. There will never be a solution short of genocide (and that's definitely not the way to go).
  • I don't know, maybe it'll work this time.
  • i must be the only one on the planet who doesn't find Stewart particularly funny. I do have immense respect for the role he plays--that of the Jester--but this O'Reilly interaction does nothing for me.
  • fuyugare: You're not the only one. I think he's amusing but his schtick gets old after awhile. Thus, I don't watch the Daily Show very often. I think I am the only one who thought it was funnier with Craig Kilborn - at least the 5 questions, anyway.
  • Looks like GLADD is going to take action against Swagart.
  • Ripped from MeFi, Comedy Central gets miffed about "stoned slackers." Harumph.