August 20, 2004

Curious, George: Geriatric Dog Have recently inherited a 15-year old, smooth-haired, miniature dachshund from a kinsman -- she's neutered, severely vision-impaired, and pretty damn deaf, too.

But may have another four or five years left -- I would like to make them quality years. Do monkeys have any helpful suggestions here? Especially with regard to diet and not-too-strenuous activity? (She is frightened of sudden motions near her head and is stiff -- and therefore unwilling to be bounced on by the collie -- who can blame her!)

  • Maybe a little dog massage?
  • Yes, she has a quality of life. She likes food -- boy oh boy, does she like food! [Natch, she is a dachshund!] She knows and likes the people she knows and likes -- excited to smell/meet them. Interested in going for walks, but shy. Enjoys curling up in armchair or bed beside her people. ...So -- give me some ideas how to keep this old critter amused. Have bought her some chews and a fake-furry toy with a squeaking device. What else? Hope us!
  • Emu oil. This is magic stuff. It's great for arthritis in humans and animals. My gran's got a 16+ yr old blue heeler and she rubs his sore old back legs with the oil - and gives him a spoonful with his dinner - and it *really works*. Less pain and stiffness. He gets around a lot easier. They like the taste, too. www.emuspirit.com Aboriginals used emu fats and so forth for thousands of years, presumably, as medical aids, and it seems they were on to something. It won't just help arthritic stiffness, it may help other ailments too. Good for scurfy skin etc. I give it to my 15yr old cat for that. As for the blindness, this is usually cateracts in older animals. If you want to spend the dough, you can have her eyes lasered, but Bluey (the aforementioned heeler) does pretty well even though he's mostly blind, and indeed quite deaf. He has a bit of trouble getting up the steps sometimes, tho. hehe. The symptoms you describe are par for the course with old dogs. The shyness of the head movements would be to do with her limited vision, I'd guess, although you may want to have her ears checked for infection as sometimes that is associated with them being sensitive of their head being messed with. Keep her warm, away from chills & draughts (which no doubt you already do). No idea where you are in the world, but I think you can order emu oil. I know it gets sent around the joint. Dogs usually have a particular kind of toy they are fond of. Try a rag doll type thing, rawhide chews or some squeaky toy. You'll find which she likes best. Rawhide chews are good for their teeth; older dogs get tartar build up which this alleviates.
  • This guide has pretty good advice. I think the part about giving her a rug or carpet to lie on is quite important, to prevent too much stiffness in the joints. Walks are important too. Older dogs have lower metabolism and can't afford to be too overweight; but they can't really do strenuous exercise, so I guess walking is best?
  • Oh, Tinfoil Sorting Hat and Nostril, thanks to you both! Tinfoil, your massage link I am printing off now, and think this is a great idea. Thanks. And I will definitely order emu oil, Nostril. (My collie came from a breeder who also raises these and ostriches, and llamas, too.) Any tips or ideas very welcome. The old dachshund's coat is awfully dry -- she was being looked after by kids the last year or so, so her nutrition's probably not all it might be. I have her on Brewers' yeast and a vitamin supplement. What is good for building up malnourished dogs?
  • Alnera, thanks -- the tip about aspirin I will certainly follow up on. Have dog/baby-proof gates so confining/restricting her range in house is not a problem. The little dog is depressed -- this is my main worry about her right now, how to liven things up a bit for her. (The collie is too lively, being a young nitwit full of bounce still.)
  • Senior Dogs Project has lots of good care info. "Two shorter walks will be less stressful on aging joints than one long walk. The walks can be quite brisk, provided the vet has given approval. A brisk walk should have four components: a warm-up of about 5 minutes (gradually increase the pace), brisk walking of about 20 minutes, a cool-down of about 5 minutes (gradually decrease the pace), a drink of water. ... At-home exercise is also a good alternative for older dogs. Use a carpeted area for the session, and one of your dog's favorite toys. You can play a modified game of "fetch" in a relatively small area. You might also want to play a game that involves your dog doing "roll-overs" or lying on her back to "kick the air." "Wrestling" and "keep away" are two other good games to play with your dog. The idea is to keep her active and moving in a physically non-stressful way. Use your imagination to invent other at-home games." My elderly kitty loved lying on my chest while I sat back in a reclining chair. For warmth, obviously, but also because she was going deaf and I think (hope) she could feel the vibrations of my voice. Cosequin powder (glucosamine/chondroitin) and Rimadyl helped her arthritis. I also fed her a small spoonful of canned pumpkin every day, which helped ease her almost chronic constipation. Check with your vet though, especially on the Rimadyl. Some critters don't react well to it. Take about 10-15 minutes a day to carefully groom her. It will help circulation and distribute the oils in her coat, she'll love the attention, and you can check for lumps and bumps too. The only other things to recommend are lots of patience and love. But you knew that already. :)
  • Fish oil works wonders for old-dog skin ecezema. Get the liquid capsules and split the contents over her food. Interestingly, the dog in question (16 year old Highland terrier) was a little more eager for the food after we started doing this.
  • I second the Cosequin, it did great things for my 15+yr old and my brother's dog too. I understand back worries are a big deal for dachsunds, so you might consider buying/building ramps for her to get up to the couch, bed, etc. As for depression she's probably just getting used to being cared for again - I'd work with the collie to keep her away (although depending on the puppy factor you may just have to keep them separate as much as possible) and maybe make her some dog bones where she can be in the kitchen with you - my dog loves that. Dogs are dogs though, if everything goes well she'll be perky in a short while. Good luck!
  • I have owned older pets and never seen anything like an old daschund. Man, those dogs must have some crazy longevity gene. I'd suggest a dental checkup. Bad teeth can eventually hamper eating habits, but it takes a long time for that symptom to show up. And by then, it's too late to save the teeth. My sentimental advice is to take lots of pictures.
  • Her teeth have been checked by the vets -- they're okay for now, though may need cleaning later. This dog effortlessly cozzens people into picking her up and putting her on the bed, pete, or the chair, sofa, etc. She also has dog beds, sheepskin fleeces, and so forth to lie on -- though she'd rather be held or in the chair next to you. She has very soulful eyes. Very grizzled, her face is mostly white now, but her eyes have dark rims and look almost mascaraed. Her eyes always look pleading -- a little-waif-cast-into-the-snow-to-freeze-stiff effect. The only times one is safe from this effect is when she's curled up sleeping.
  • I hear ya bees - my pup is barely a year and she's got that look down. I think Jack Russell's are related to daschunds somewhere because she's got the long neck and is all about getting down the hole in the ground to eat whatever's digging in there. darned dogs, s'posed to be so good for ya . .
  • Thanks, everyone, for your helpful ideas and recommendations.
  • An egg on her dinner a couple of times a week is good for the coat.
  • I'll try that, too, Wolof, thank you. She had canned salmon today with her kibble, something I doubt would have occurred to me to try before the mention of fish oil in the thread above. She wolfed it.
  • I inherited an old dog myself. It'll be three years since we got him on Sept. 10 (yes, the day before the towers went down). He's 15 and declining rapidly now, poor guy. Can't see too well, can't hear too well, sense of smell not too good, losing weight (even thought he eats), but otherwise healthy. I might try some of that canned fish; maybe it'll help his sore bones.
  • I'm telling you, people, the fucking EMU OIL. I have advanced arthritis and a fucked up vertebra in me' neck, I use it and I SWEAR to you it works better than any of the shit the specialists give me. I was skeptical at first too. Try it. Your dog will love you for it.
  • what a lovely addition to your pack, beeswacky! i love older dogs, i adopted one and she's given me several years (so far) of love and gratitude. mine likes to sleep a lot, which is fine with me. i love dogs with white faces! such wise little pups.
  • My pack consists at this time of two dogs -- one collie, one dachshund. beeswacky math: Lovely plus lovely equals chaos. The dachshund might weight ten pounds right after eating, the collie (who bounces like Tigger after a dose of Strengthening Medicine) weighs between fifty-five and sixty pounds. Life has become strangely complicated in this household.
  • no doubt - big hyper dogs are often a pain in the butt. Nostril: what's your point? :) Welcome back SideDish!
  • When my parents' dog was a puppy they made him puppy porridge: oats, an egg, and plenty of milk. It's soft enough for old dogs, too, keeps them regular and fills them up.
  • Now you tell me! Finally, a use for porridge. She seems to be adapting well to her new diet. She has Betty Davis eyes, with which she manages to wangle tidbits from a household of shockingly easy marks. Thanks, tracicle -- hope your cold is better.
  • Tell her to cut back on the eyeshadow, bees. :) The cold's not worse, at least, thank you.
  • For those of you wondering how she's doing: 1.She's far less deaf now her ears have been cleaned. 2.Her coat is no longer dry and harsh, it's acquired a slight sheen. 3.Her skin is supple now, and her ribs are less protruding. 4.She's gained some weight (needed to) and is not nearly as stiff as she was when she arrived. She can turn her head and her body now much more easily. She's starting to run a bit again, ears are being carried up now when she's awake, and the tail wags. Will try some short walks with her next week, see how she does. 5.She's simply not interested in rubber toy or furry squirrel toy. So this afternoon I gave her a raw beef rib, and she managed to spend a couple of hours chewing and tugging at it. The vet says her teeth are a bit worn, but OK, and now she has demonstrated the fact. Greatly improved! And if she could know how much your advice helped, I'm sure she would add her grateful thanks to mine.
  • Nothing like a dose of good news first thing in the morning. :) Glad to hear the elderpup is feeling better!
  • this is great news! especially that she's responding so quickly. had she been neglected? she sounds very happy. lucky pup to have found you! my dog doesn't care for toys either. sigh. i'd love to play ball with her. oh well. she prefers to be tickled. heh.
  • Bees. Emu. Frigging. Oil. I. Kid. thee. Not.
  • Heh. I saw Emu Frigging Oil at the pharmacy yesterday. Almost bought some. Because you never know. You just never do.
  • Good news on the improvements bees, what's her favorite thing so far? (I'm guessing the beef rib?)
  • isn't Emu Frigging Oil that punk group nobody can get tickets to?
  • And if she could know how much your advice helped, I'm sure she would add her grateful thanks to mine. Then go ahead and give her her own MoFi account!
  • Nostril dear fellow, never fear, the emu frigging oil is being shipped. pete -- Favorite thing. Seems to be a toss-up between beef bones and sleeping in the exact center of the bed of a human being while next to a human being. [If she doesn't get her way in this she yarks non-stop all night long. And I call this bees abuse, I do, because it seems to be my bed more often than not that she ends up in. Grumble, mumble...] /smells of decrepit dachshund] SideDish, I may be in for a wholly unanticipated surprise if that's the case. wendell, she tells me she would rather have another bone.
  • bees: since we're learning about your pack of two, what are their names?
  • she yarks? how cool is THAT. the world's only yarking dog. i take it that's a cross between a yip and a bark? heee heeee.
  • I thought yarking=puking. Or is that horking?
  • i thought horking was what a cat did right before a furball? or is that hakking?
  • Good point. And where does yacking fit in?
  • right next to snarking, i think.
  • I understand some USC people call it "booting".
  • yarking: I learned this word from my family, though I've heard others use it, too. Can't find it quickly online, so I'm resorting here to the Concise Scots Dictionary, edited by Maire Robinson from Polygon at Edinburgh [1999]. Seems yark/yerk/yirk means to move suddenly, jerk or tug, smack; also, nag, find fault derives in the north of Scotland from a root word meaning to talk incessantly. To yark in the specific case of the wee dog means she gets into a fugue-state, wherein she throws her head up or back and barks mechanically and repetitively.
  • Elderly dachshund seemed totally confused and had no appetite after being left outside for a brief though unspecified amount of time by a member of this household. So we went hastily to the vets yesterday, and she recovered nicely after a few hours on a heating pad. My rule of thumb: When a dachshund won't eat it is SERIOUS!
  • Bees, cold or upset, or both? Perhaps the wee lassie needs a sweater?
  • Cold. She has had several sweaters, and what she does is to pull her legs up inside the sleeves and then lie like a helpless worm and SCREAM bloody murder becaiuse then she can't walk. *tears hair in frustration* It is a wiley wee thing, this dachshund.
  • Sounds like she needs footwarmers too.
  • She does NOT like clothes on herself. No hat, no sweater, no booties, no way. It is quite perverse, since she adores rootling under the bedclothes. She can actually remove her sweater by agitated writhing and wriggling on the ground (during which she SCREAMS non-stop). So she's been put outsdoors without one. She simply can't be left outside if it's cold for more than a few minutes, and her situation requires someone be with her, I think, during those few minutes.. We are wondering if we can get her to use a bathtub in lieu of outdoor excursions. Squalid, yes, but a tub is easily cleaned. Or maybe a large plastic tub of some sort. Sigh.
  • perhaps this? We breifly considered this when our pooch was getting up in years. Didn't get to work it out though. The litter is kind of neat, it's compressed newspaper, about the circumference of a pen.
  • Worth a try, petebest, thank you for the link.
  • Good luck bees.
  • what she does is to pull her legs up inside the sleeves and then lie like a helpless worm and SCREAM bloody murder Bees, what a funny picture! of course, more than frustrating for you Perhaps one of these horse blanket cut? Actually, I would think he'd want to go stylin'.
  • It would be comic if it were not full of ugly possibilities for her. She is stubborn obdurate. Thought I was acqauainted with obduracy from dealing with collies and horses, but Troodle the Terror makes them look like so many compliant wimps. Yes, I'm all ready now, just take me out and shoot me.
  • My brother's 84 (dog) year old border collie mix was deteriorating rapidly. Her coat was dry and spiky, she was lethargic and always cold and in general looked like she was weeks, if not days, away from the kennel in the sky. It turns out she had a thyroid deficiency, which apparently is common in older dogs (and people). After two weeks of thyroid medication she was completely rejuvenated: running around, bright-eyed and shiny-coated. My sister-in-law was so amazed she had her own thyroid levels checked hoping for a similar result (alas, her levels were normal). It's something worth looking into for older dogs; the test and medication are both inexpensive.
  • Horses! Obdurate??? Certainly not Arabians and TBs!
  • The elderly dachshund went to the vets a couple of hours ago, where an exam and an x-ray revealed a large mass in her midsection around the area of her spleen. They're doing an ultrasound on her now, in an attempt to tell whether it's a single mass or several, and whether it's the spleen or the liver or ??? /sadness
  • *hugs bees a lot* All good wishes and strength to you.
  • So terribly sorry, bees. Hope all goes well with your elongated pooch.
  • We all hope it's not as serious as it sounds. More virtual hugs for inhabitants of the bee hive.
  • Sorry bees- hope you're bearing up alright.
  • Thinking of ye.
  • Troodle, the said elderly dachshund, is stuffed full with antibiotics, since lab work shows her old bladder infection is flaring up again now, too. I just brought her home after talking to the vet. She has a grapefruit-sized tumour of the spleen and the plan at the moment is to have this removed next Friday if she doesn't get any worse. We initially took her in for nonstop diarrhea she began having last night -- so we are all quite startled to discover the tumour which is mostly tucked up under her lower ribs -- these are apparently fast-growing in dogs. Whether it's cancer or not won't be obvious until adter her operation. Why not? Because a biopsy at this point would be just as stressful for her as the operation will be, and don't want to put her through two bouts of anesthesia. Dachshunds are tough little dogs, and often make it into their twenties, so I'm hoping for the best for her. Time will tell. I'm holding up just fine, thank you all. By next frieday I may be a pitiable wreck, but for now we are just glad to have her back home.
  • As your attorney I recommend you begin drinking heavily.
  • Hope everything turns out ok bees. Many hugs and good thoughts.
  • They gave me a bottle of Laphroaig for my birthday (I'm tellin' ye, it beats a necktie!) so I think I may just open her up upon advice from my friend Chy and take a wee sma' sup.
  • I concur: better than a tie.
  • *hugs bees, prays*
  • Thank you, dear Alnedra. She's much better today. To look at her, in fact, ye would not suppose a thing was wrong with her. Unless ye had a copy of her MRI at your elbow. She's getting great attention, and is revelling in many choice handouts being snuck into her by the demoralized residents of the household. There's a chance of that splenic mass ruptruing, but we are restricting her activity and hopefully that won't happen. One day at a time.
  • Troodle's vet called this morning; they'd had a cancelation, so her surgery's bumped up to today at noon.
  • good luck!
  • Keeping my fingers crossed for Troodle!
  • Let all be well, bees. My love to Troodle.
  • hoping for the best, bees and Troodle!
  • Dx and her critters have their fingers, paws and claws crossed for Troodle. Our collective spirits are focused on success.
  • Thanks everyone for your supportive comments. Troodle's come well through her surgery, and will stay at the vets for another day or two before she's ready to come home, after major abdominal surgery. A most fortunate side-light -- turns out the tumour was adhered to the woll of her stomach and there was some bleeding starting from it. Glad she went in early instead of Friday, and hope this fortuitous occurrence augurs well for her recovery.
  • Hussars! Here's to a speedy recovery.
  • doing happy doggie-dance for troodle! get well soon! xxoo
  • Me too, sending my get-well wishes for a full recovery.
  • Love from the canine cousins over here too.
  • Healing thoughts to Troodle and her person! Glad to hear the surgery went well. Mend up, Troodle!
  • Healing thoughts from here as well, you're a good 'un for helping out the poor wee thing.
  • good news, hoping for more of it!
  • Depending on how fast growing it was, the mass might explain some of the distress she's evinced in the past. I know it'll be hard for her to go through the recovery process, but this might just make her happier with her life. Please continue to let us know how she's doing.
  • Thinking good thoughts for wee Troodle and bees!
  • *sending good vibrations to Bees and the Trood*
  • *Feathers flying and tails are wagging and hands waving and clapping in the air* Give that plucky Troodle some licks and nibbles and kisses from us. /hands bees a glass of cockpunch so he can repose and poeticize in celebration.
  • Here's hoping Troodle will be up and doodling around soonest! Bees, my thoughts are with you.
  • Thank fuck for that! Give the Troodle-meister a pat on the head for me. Hope she has a speedy recovery. The Kats of Kitfisto Towers send their purry love.
  • Didn't know any of this until today. Sounds like everything is going as well as could be. /happy
  • hands bees a glass of cockpunch so he can repose bees is a he? i always thought of bees as, well, a bee.
  • She? He? Bee. That's IT!
  • Troodle's doing very well indeed -- the vet is most impressed with her powers of recuperation. Superdog comes home tomorrow morning! Celebratory bee-dancing to begin at sunrise.
  • Dear Bees, glad the wee hund is on the mend. Wishing her a fast and comfortable recovery.
  • Troodles wins! LOVELY!
  • That gets a Woo, a Yay and a Hoopla from me.
  • /applauds
  • Good girl!
  • She's back home, curled up in her basket next to my chair. The vets' clinic being air-conditioned and cooler than she's accustomed to, she shivered there, so the techs made her a 'jacket' of white stockinette, upon which has been handwritten in orange marker "Get Well Soon".
  • I find a scratch behind the ears and a kiss on the snoot can work wonders for recovery. Always works for me, anyway.
  • Sounds like she got great care at the vet (the little jacket sounds adorable). Very glad to hear that she's home and resting now. I second the kiss on the snoot!
  • Bees, post a picture!!
  • Hey, bees - tracicle's wee one got a hat, too - did yours?
  • Steve the Dog and I send our best, along with snuggles and sloppy dog kisses.
  • That's wonderful, bees. I hope she recovers quickly and completely.
  • She's growing stronger and no longer requires hand-feeding. She's more active, and more alert -- now wags her tail when anyone comes into the room with food. Her incision is only a little shorter than the Nile, and it's going to take a while before she bounces completely back from this. But she's making a fine start so far.
  • Goooood.
  • Biopsy results -- no cancerous cells! At last I can stop worrying over that -- and it's been a big one for all of us. Today, she's more active, and is putting food away much more heartily. Her pain medication continues for another 2 days, adter which we should see an increase in her appetite which is to a degree suppressed by the medication.
  • So happy to hear that, bees. I told you, ear scratches and snoot kissin'.
  • Woo! Nice one, bees and bees's poochy!
  • I second Fish Tick. Pooch needs a wee hat.
  • go troodles go! go troodles go!
  • Best wishes from the Jack Russell Terrierist and I. Glad she's got a guardian bee around.
  • Thanks all for your good wishes. Troodle continues to mend, has comes off her pain meds, and is eating now with her old appetite again. Glad you're back! Give that Terrierist a pat from me. If it will hold still for such treatment. :]
  • How nice to hear a happy story for a change. Be sure to tickle Troodle by proxy for me, old chap.
  • Will do, Chy, once Snoring Beauty wakes up.
  • Glad to hear that Troodles is eating like she should. Now, don't be spoilin' her. yea, right
  • Too late, the words o' warning come!!!
  • Yay for the Trood! Excellent news, Bees!
  • Aww, she deserves a bit of spoiling, GramMa. A lot would do as well.
  • Alnedra: I'm sure The Troodles is ruling the household.
  • Troodle's sutures are now out. Without that massive swelling inside her, she looks awfully thin to everyone. Today the vet was very pleased Troodle's managed to put on weight since coming home.
  • Good shit.
  • I don't know about dogs, but my cats would walk right through me for a slice of ham...
  • Glad to hear it. I'll stay tuned to the Troodle Report! *insert break music*
  • troodle sutures! a good thing to be gone indeed. glad to hear things are progressing nicely!
  • hurray for a recovering Troodles!
  • Having been fed since she came home on roast chicken and oatmeal (for she spurned the canned Intestinal Diet the vet suggested), she is now resisting our attempts to get her back on her former diet. Small, extraordinarily stubborn dachshund. I think Troodle's will may prevail in this matter. *sigh*
  • good girl :)
  • Troodles wins!
  • Well, that sounds healthy.
  • Smart dog, that Troodle.
  • I'm so happy Troodles is doing well! I don't know about dogs, but my cats would walk right through me for a slice of ham... When I first got my dog Steve from the shelter, he was too nervous to meet new people without trembling from head to toe and trying to hide behind me. He was especially afraid of men, for some reason (I suspect he'd been abused). When I went home for Christmas and took the Steve with me, my dad literally met us at the door with ham. Damn, Steve loves my dad!
  • She likes ham, but it's rather salty for older dogs. She used to like dog kibble mixed with chicken, but now she just pretends there's nothing there. It was decided (not by me) that she needed to get off what amounts to a chicken diet. Thay said, Leave her alone, she'll eat when she gets hungry. They were wrong. After thirty hours of this, I snuck into the kitchen and fixed her a big bowl of oatmeal and roast chicken. She ate every bit without hesitation. So I think this amounts to a Dachshund Manifesto. However, the kitchen gods are not happy with me now. Heh. /latest buzz from the doghouse
  • Troodles owns you. And us, by the looks of it. Heh.
  • No kidding. One of the nicknames I have for my cat is "Snoodle". Last night I almost called her "Troodle" by mistake. That would have been embarassing!
  • You would have been in biiiig trouble there. I occaisionally mix my two's names up when trying to think up witty poems on the spot for them. I get 'the look'.
  • Pvvn3d by the Tr0oD|e-hUnD! Eeexcellent. /burns
  • Having been fed since she came home on roast chicken and oatmeal (for she spurned the canned Intestinal Diet the vet suggested), she is now resisting our attempts to get her back on her former diet. Our dog couldn't digest anything at all (long, sad story that would likely incite antivaccine hordes)until I cooked her a five grain (oats, rice etc), boneless/skinless chicken, peas and corn mix. During her "undiagnosed" stage, she went from 48 lbs of happy, boundless energy to a lethargic, wasting 32 lb bag of bones. The home cooked diet (20-24 cups lasts 5 days)plus the plant enzyme mix used to aid digestion in older dogs (Prozyme)has got her back to being a frolicking 45 lb. border collie/brittany/sheltie Mississippi River dog.
  • aaah. She lovely.
  • Your lass has a flirtsome brown glance, deconstructo! Been giving Troodle a bit of Brewer's yeast, zinc, cooked pumpkin, and green peas along with the basic chicken-oatmeal diet. Also has had a bit of cooked egg, yogurt, grated cheese, buttermilk pancake, and pieces of chicken weiner at intervals.
  • To me that look says "Don't even think about taking my dinosaur. It's mine. I will pee on something you cherish, I swear to God."
  • That's it - I'm posting pictures of my tarantulas. They're so cuuuuuuuute. And they definitely have digestive troubles.
  • tarantula belching.
  • As an aside, never give Alka Seltzer to a seagull. It will explode.
  • *grabs bottle from medicine cabinet and video camera, heads to waterfront*
  • That is not funny.
  • Context: written by a vegetarian, non-leather-wearing, former PETAn, SPCA contributor, Calgary Stampede protestor, shelter cat adopter, bird feeder, etc., etc., etc. "Don't tell me how to post. It sickens me."
  • I didn't tell you how to post, I told you how to be funny. Or how not to be funny. And I found your defensive bone. For extra points, ID where the "sickens me" thing comes from. Clue: Shatner.
  • You know it occurred to me before that it would be really bad now that we're talking up Troodles and all happy if she suddenly keels over and carks it. I would be mollified. /slightly superstitious
  • I *do* find the concept of an exploding seagull funny. I find the concept of an exploding Chy funny also. The dog has already burst at the seams once; that's enough.
  • I explode regularly.
  • We know.
  • Shhh. She's sleeping.
  • The reason I react against the seagull thing is that the brother of an associate of mine in high school was a cruel cunt who used to feed the seagulls bits of bread wrapped around sodium or some such material that explodes on contact with water. He would throw the bits into the air at the seaside, where wheeling gulls would gulp the thing down whole, then laugh uproariously as they plummetted to the ground with entrails spewing from both ends. I dearly wished death upon him.
  • Chy, that's horrific. I'm sorry you knew someone like that. fish tick, where are those pics?!
  • Sorry- the cat's eaten them.
  • I knew some shitheads in Maine who did the same thing (which is how I know about it). On the lighter side, seagulls love french fries. There was a customer at the restaurant where I worked who was being a complete cunt. So one of the guys in the kitchen took a bag of french fries and tossed them into his convertible. The seagulls decorated the convertible from stem to stern. Of course he couldn't do anything about it because hey, they're seagulls, they shit where they want.
  • SHHH! /Marion_Librarian
  • EEEEEEEE-YUKEEEYUKEEYUKEEYUKEEYUK!!! /seagull
  • mct: yeah, she's got the fearsome look down, but she's the most submissive dog I have ever encountered. More like "I will roll on my back and go limp." Only barks when barken to.
  • WOOF, WOOF
  • *recalls tail about a lad who kept crying woof woof...woz a folktail*
  • Must have been the tail that wagged the dog.
  • a tall tail indeed.