July 30, 2004

• Green tea, my friend. Green tea.
• You could always smuggle the pee of some non-pot smoking friend in. But if I'm not mistaken, I think 30 days is generally how long you test positive so you may be ok.
• Bad idea. That's a good way to get in even worse trouble.
• I really want to avoid 'substitution' unless I have absolutely no other choice. It's risky, can easily arouse supicion, and is generally pretty gross.
• Go to GNC and get some Goldenseal. I have a friend who's a (private) pilot and also enjoys your comestible of choice, he swears by it. Also: cranberry juice, gallons of it, from now until your test.
• You don't have to apologize for, or editorialize about, your drug use, especially not to us. I have strong feelings about drug testing, and I would never work for a company that does it. I'd quit my job before I'd submit to one. But that's very easy to say, in the industry I work in (where during the bubble a few years ago, you choose your employer partly based on who had the best pot). But the rest of the world doesn't work like that blah blah blah. I've heard good things about the detoxifying product that Tommy Chong (don't get me started on that) sold on his website, but I have no idea if that's still avail., or if you can get any in time. Are you certain you will lose the offer if you're positive for marijuana? Is it a possibility they will disregard it (are they more concerned about the harder stuff)? Maybe if/when the red lights go off you should just own up to it and tell them you had a joint a month ago, and that's the extent of your "problem." Maybe there is some flexibility, though I suppose if they're testing at all, they probably have policies that can't be changed. If you're positive, is there recourse? Can you request a re-test (by which time you will be clean)? And of course, there is a good chance you'll pass. Either way, don't freak out over it. Que sera, sera. And I'm sure Kim was joking, but please don't try any sit-com tactics.
• Time of use: June 24. Uh oh. I said June 24? I meant July 24.
• I don't really have anything to add, but considering this is nothing more than weed, I'll certainly be rooting for you. Good luck with that Orwellian piss-jar waving employer.
• I've heard that some places now test for Goldenseal. I've also heard good things about vinegar from people in this kind of situation.
• The cleansing kits that they sell at porn shops and head shops work. Two of my friends were regular pot smokers who both had to pass drug tests for new jobs. If I remember correctly one of them took a liquid solution, the other had to take something like 15 of these big ass horse pills. Both of them had to take the stuff the day of the test...something like several hours before. Both had to drink a TON of water with the kits, but they both made it OK. I've also heard Grape Juice helps to clear toxins out of your system. One thing is for sure...drink MANY MANY MANY fluids starting now. I agree with others on the list. It's a fucking plant that grows whether you like it or not (why do you think they call it weed?) and you're noot hurting anybody else by using it. Good Luck to YOU sir.
• Uh oh. I said June 24? I meant July 24. Uhm. So did you know that you had to take a drug test for this job?
• Drink water. Lots of water between now and the day before your test. Don
• So yeah, detox. Have salads with lots of greens with vinegar. Drink lots green tea, water, and craberry juice. Take your vitamins.
• ...said Daniel, in the least judgemental and accusing way possible. Just curious if this was something they sprang on you.
• Goldenseal, water, and cranberry juice
• btw - these are the same tabs they sell at GNC here: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hbees/quickcaps.html (just so you know what your looking for)
• You could always use the Ross Rebagliati excuse and say it was second-hand smoke!
• You don't have to apologize for, or editorialize about, your drug use, especially not to us. I know... and I appreciate it. Still, I mean what I said. I didn't know I'd even be applying for this job when I did it, so no, I wasn't quite that dumb. And yes, I agree with many of you in that I think that weed's harmless and drug testing is stupid. Thing is, I obviously can't just say to my future employer "dude, relax"... that would be cool.
• Um, what's GNC?
• Good luck. My only recommendation is to talk fast (cf. Ross Regibilati) and then maybe get a re-take later? Genuinely, though, what everyone has said: calm deep breaths before and after and lots of liquid.
• It's a suppliment and vitamin store. You might be able to find one at the mall.
• Drink a lot of water and green tea and sweat it out -- exercise like there's no tomorrow up until the date of your exam (run, ride your bike, hike for 6+ hours.) At leat, you'll be beat at night and you'll sleep well and show up in shape. Eat a lot of fruits and veggies. You can also go by the stuff they sell in "specialized" stores, it can't hurt, but I'd take the liquid form over any pills.
• Are you USian?
• Cos, you were asking about GNC and all, that's all.
• Oh, I don't know if you can play the second-hand smoke thing. To be researched -- like: I showed up at a party, a lot of people where smoking, it might have been canabis, it smelled strange. I didn't leave because I was talking to this attractive person, blah.
• "For the record: I do NOT in any way condone drug use of any sort. If this experience has taught me anything, it's that it's just not worth it if it's going to interfere with a job (or family, etc) in any way. I made a BAD decision, and it's definitely going to be a long time before I ever touch the stuff again." In light of this statement don't try and hide the fact that you made a mistake, sometimes the crappiest lessons are the ones where we know what the consequences are. My advice is take the test without trying to hide anything. Will you fail it...probably, will it suck...most definatly, however your own integrity will remain intact and you can move on from there.
• I've found many things online that claim to help: aspirin, gatorade, b-complex vitamins, tums, creatine, and, of course, lots and lots of water. Can anyone back this up? First drink 8oz of water every hour, starting now. Remember too, alcohol takes 24 hours to leave your system. You need to pee. Go to GNC, there is a de-tox drink sold there which is kept behind the counter 45$(you will have to ask for the drink} Drink it 3- 4 hours before your appointment. Then drink, drink drink...piss piss piss, Drink a lot of water that day, maybe 16oz an hour. NOTE, make sure you pee 30 minutes before your piss test, and drink more water before entering the office.
• what kind of job is it? if you're going to be, say, operating heavy machinery outside a grade school or performing brain surgery, um, pllllllleeaasee don't do drugs while employed. i'm just sayin'
• Goldenseal, water, and cranberry juice depends on the tester: for probation goldenseal in your system is counted as a "masking" drug equaling a Fail drug test. Did you know the American Indians used it as astringent on their cuts? Time of use: June 24. (first time I'd done it in over a month, ironically - I'm a very infrequent user anyway) A normal joint takes about 10 days, yet if you toke the next day, you add 5 more days to the 10 until it would be out of your system. But you should be fine. {I missed that part above while quickly reading) Seriously take my last comment' sentence to heart though. Good luck!
• Uh oh. I said June 24? I meant July 24. Hope you have 50 bucks...
• what kind of job is it? if you're going to be, say, operating heavy machinery outside a grade school or performing brain surgery, um, pllllllleeaasee don't do drugs while employed. I think that's a bit disingenuous... you can replace testing for 'marijuana' with 'alcohol', to get a sense of what's wrong here. What adults do for recreation, that stays seperate from their work life, shouldn't be an issue of inquiry by your employer. If I came to work drunk, or high, that would be another matter.
• here's what norml has to say on the subject
• 5 more days to the 10 until Think it's two, so if you do it a third day in a row, then it would be 14 days(something like that) why heavy pot use takes longer exiting your system.
• Just a comment I haven't seen in this thread yet: Don't drink TOO much water, because a highly diluted test is pretty suspicious. I have to send people for re-testing if their samples are too diluted (yes, I work for the evil corporate overlords). This could work in your favor, though, to buy some more time. Give them a highly diluted sample, and tell them that you drank a lot of water because you had... "performance anxiety" and schedule a re-test as late as you can. Side note: I would rather my employees smoke a little pot than drink alcohol. In my experience, alcohol is a lot more likely to impair your performance the next day.
• In Barbara Ehrenreich's book Nickel and Dimed, she's got to take a drug test for both Wal-Mart and a home repair store, IIRC. Also panicked over recent pot use. She writes that her research said to drink a lot of water, three gallons a day, for three days straight before the test. Being skinny is an advantage. GNC sells something called "CleanP" with creatinine and uva ursis in it that is supposed to work. She just bought the two active ingredients separately and took them. And she says to avoid salt since it makes you retain water. Oh, and she doesn't say this, but I know this: take the sample from the middle of your urination not the beginning when you first start peeing. She passed the drug test, btw. The book is a good read and that section in particular, on the effectiveness of drug testing, but she was just preachin' to the choir when I read it so YMMV. Good luck.
• Cranberry juice is your best friend. I had a friend who was on probation and was still stupidly smoking and had a day and a half to clean his system all that day he carried a gallon of cranberry juice with him and he actually passed. Also what KamikazeGopher said.
• Cranberry juice is your best friend. I had a friend who was on probation and was still stupidly smoking and had a day and a half to clean his system all that day he carried a gallon of cranberry juice with him and he actually passed. Also what KamikazeGopher said.
• heres how my friend. go to the grocery store, buy whats called fruit pectin, it should be in the jello aisle. the brand i've seen is certo. then hit up a vitamin shop and get some vitamin B complex. start taking vitamin b and drinking tons of water. the vitamins will insure that your pee isn't too clear. the day of the test, drink a bunch of water in the morning and pee as much as possible. about 2 hrs before the test, add the box of pectin to a gallon of water and add some kool-aid for taste. the pectin kind of seals your fat cells and doesn't allow any thc to exit when peeing. good luck. this has worked for a friend of mine countless times, since i don't smoke, i wouldn't know. :) if you don't trust this, go to a head shop and buy a detox drink.....good luck
• Since obviously all this is common knowledge for all involved, why do companies bother? Or why don't they have surprise tests?
• IANADTA,ECO,HRBC,PS(a) (i am not a drug test administrator, evil corporate overlord, human resources bean-counter or pot-smoker(anymore)) but it seems possible, depending on the industry, that some companies drug tests are not actually going to bother spending the extra money or time looking for reefer in your system. cocaine, heroin, amphetamines and their derivatives: sure. but with grass (speaking speculatively from a financial and risk management perspective) why bother?
• They bother because people are morons. Every job that I've had that required a drug test also had random testing. One job I worked at they made everone on the shift take a pee test and the guy next to me asks, "Do you think I'll pass? I went out into the parking lot during lunch and smoked some in my car."
• Because they're not screening for pot smokers, they're screening for the kind of losers who can't quit smoking pot for three weeks in order to take a fucking drug test for their fucking job.
• That was in response to dirtdirt's question.
• I live in Dallas... nobody *decent* does drugs or anything of that nature around here... /sarcasm I only asked about GNC because I've never heard of it. Is there anything cheaper than $40 Detox drinks? And does anyone know of a cheap home test I can take? (I have very little spare $$ on me - hence the, uh, job.) By the way - this is only a pre-employment test. Once I'm in, I'll never have to do this again (until the next job... ugh.) Dish, I would never work under any influence... I'm glad you're saying that though. (anyway, I'm going to be a clerk in a bank, for chrissake.) Thanks everyone for the good advice... I really want to respond to a lot of your comments in more depth, but right now I don't have time (maybe later tonight or tomorrow...) until then, I'm drinking water (will buy cranberry juice soon), eating red meats (for creatine), and generally avoiding fatty foods. I know about the b-complex vitamins and already have some that I'm going to use the day of the test. (maybe I shouldn't use so many parentheses)
• In my personal experience, I passed a drug test after smoking twice 2 days before the test. I just drank 2 gallons of apple juice (1 a day) plus some water and passed no problem.
• This could work in your favor, though, to buy some more time. Give them a highly diluted sample, and tell them that you drank a lot of water because you had... "performance anxiety" and schedule a re-test as late as you can. That's what I've also been thinking... that wouldn't make them more suspicious or likely to check, would it?
• Ricky Williams apparently used a product called XXtra Clean to pass (some of) his drug tests.
• IS this drug-test culture a feature of the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave? My!
• Skrik...what Canadian courts think of random/pre-employment drug testing in a workplace evironment. Man I love this country!
• Just a tangential comment: they won't need to do administer a test now. Searching for your name on Google will suffice, where your admission is then about two clicks away. /paranoid
• OMD WE'RE ALL BUSTED!!!!!!
• one way around getting in trouble for testing positive is to declare going in that you eat hemp based products. They will make your test positive, and they sell them at all hippie food co-op health food places. http://manitobaharvest.com/index.asp for examples
• Are you sure they even test for cannabis? Most pre-employment drug tests here in the U.S. don't, unless you are applying to be a pilot, train conductor, etc. Though there are some exceptions, of course. I have worked in IT Departments for large companies that . . . well, let's just say they would not have very many people left working there if they screened for cannabis. I'd be curious to know what sort of job is this rigid . . . that is, if you care to tell us, of course.
• Oh hey dude, I just saw you're in Dallas. If you don't get the job, come over and at least I'll smoke you out!
• Dude, the hemp food excuse won't work, there's not enough THC in it. Like, in that Manitoba stuff there's like, 0.00% and a promise of no false positives. Robot, get me a Pepsi!
• Wal-Mart only tests for alcohol. Don't know about other places, of course.
• As is my custom here, I will gladly sell you the urine you desire. Be advised, there is an small added fee for "vitamin yellow".
• SixDW, my ex had to take a pee test for all drugs when he applied to be a reporter at a knight-ridder paper. i think it depends on the company. my current sweetie just took a news editor job at a mcgraw-hill company and DIDN'T have to take a drug test. so i guess it just varies. but for a reporter? it's not like we operate heavy machinery or anything.
• I'm basically going to be a clerk in a bank(ish) type thing... filing papers, mailing things, booooring stuff like that. SixDW - are you saying that there's a good chance it won't even test for cannabis? I mean, I have no idea, and I know they're a lot more anti-pot down here than up north obviously... you'll regret inviting me over when I show up at your doorstep at 4AM, weeping, with a bottle of pee in one hand and a briefcase in the other
• ..weeping, with a bottle of pee in one hand and a briefcase in the other.. And wanting to get really stoned? Why, that's my life in a nutshell. Oh, brother! Wherefore art thou!!!???!!
• Sometimes it is this job or starvation, and of course sacrifices must be made for survival. But I have to question a job that does this and wonder what other parts of my life they will willingly, unthinkingly invade. Why I don't drug test (self-link ahoy)
• Also, does anyone have info on this not testing for cannabis? Don't most jobs (even non pilot type jobs) use the NIDA 5?
• What I don't understand is why some employers are so uptight about an employee smoking a joint now and then, but not about employees who go out and get drunk every weekend. No, I do understand; alcohol, while being far more destructive, is the "accepted" drug; pot is the drug of subversives. So, it's ok if you're a closet alcoholic, but if you smoke a joint you must be a communist and therefore bad for business. /axe grind
• my buddy used the "whizzinator". not sure how it's spelled, exactly. he smokes a lot, probably every day. it worked for him, no problems at all.
• alcohol, while being far more destructive, is the "accepted" drug; pot is the drug of subversives. And actually coffeine) is far worse than THC. But if they would ban that... (I'm 100% coffeine free, I just don't like coffee, hate sugar water and don't drink tea anymore)
• I have a bit of experience with this, since I work for one of the largest clinical laboratory chains in the US. It's pretty likely that your test will come to us or our competitor for the actual testing. I have also worked directly with the instrumentation that's used to perform the testing. If I'm accurately understanding what you said, which is that you smoked one joint a week ago and nothing a month before and nothing since, you might pass. If it were me, I wouldn't try it. Don't bother with the commercial crap sold for the purpose. They don't work, and in many cases they contain ephedrine to constrict the blood vessels in the kidneys, theoretically making them more efficient. Problem is, they leave a residue which might make you fail the amphetamine part of the test. Your best bet is a variation on what thomcatspike and some others have said: load up on water. Start right now. Get yourself as clean as possible. If you're really paranoid, two to four hours before the test, take a vitamin that contains a lot of beta-carotene. That will add some nice yellow to your sample, which otherwise will be almost colorless. (The color might be important; if the collector notes that the color is wrong, s/he may request that the lab test the specific gravity of the specimen, which will make it instantly apparent what you've done. Sometimes they're lazy, but they ain't stupid.) Oh, and there were two other suggestions up-thread that you do *NOT* want to follow: 1) *don't* exercise to excess. Doing so will cause some cellular breakdown, releasing *more* of the THC metabolites, which are stored in your cells. Your liver and kidneys don't know what to do with this stuff, so out it goes, into the Dixie cup. 2) Don't try to substitute someone else's urine. Whoever is doing the collecting does this for a living, and they will catch you. Depending on the state you're in, this may be a crime and you can be prosecuted for it even if it's a private company requesting the screen. Also, the collector will check the temperature of the sample immediately after you submit it. If it's wrong, you're screwed. Ignore the advice about taking goldenseal. Some places test for it, and its presence is considered a "masking agent" and triggers a presumptive positive report. Oh, and whoever it was that said "they don't test for cannabis" is full of beans. *Everyone* tests for THC metabolites; it's part of the standard screen, which is: cannabinoids, cocaine, opiates, amphetamines and PCP. NIDA has proclaimed that to be the standard. Some places also test for additional components, such as barbituates, synthetic opiate-like substances (Lortab, Darvon, Vicodin), methaqualone (Quaalude), diazepines (tranquilizers), ethanol, and MDMA (Ecstacy.) Oh, and of course, I need to insert a disclaimer here. I speak for no monkeys but myself, and especially not for my evil corporate chimp masters. All opinions in this comment are mine and mine alone. Nothing I have said should be taken as professional advice. Good luck.
• So I understand if a sample seems 'too' diluted they think there is tampering, and you mentioned that color is important. So how do you guys decide what is a tampered sample and what isn't? For example, I regularly drink a lot of water to the point that my urine is almost clear and a sample would probably have little color. Would this just be assumed to be tampering because most people spend their time more dehydrated than me?
• I got it mixed up above. Wal-Mart doesn't test for alcohol, not only tests for alcohol. My b, dude.
• BEST. CURIOUS GEORGE. EVER! Good luck!
• BEST. CURIOUS GEORGE. EVER! (I would gladly sacrifice my job to appease the monkeys - I just really really hope I don't have to!) Thank you - ALL of you - for all your help; I'm taking the test tomorrow afternoon and have taken a lot of your advice (although I won't specificy exactly what i did and did not as not to offend - especially if certain advice leads to a a catastrophic failure, god forbid). I'm as nervous as all hell, to be honest... but when I pass this thing - if I pass it (anyone know when I'll get the results?) - I'll be forever in your debt! And of course, I'll let you know if I did or not. Until then - peace out...
• Mfpb, What's the worst thing that could happen if you fail the test? That they report you to the cops or that they past the tip about you to other potential employers? You don't worry. And, if anything happens you can always move up to Canada. Better in any possible sense.
• Todfox: It's pretty much left up to the collector. If it looks okay, it'll sail right through. And once it gets past the collector, those are the last human eyes that will ever look at it critically. The machines that actually do the testing don't care whether it's urine or pink grapefruit juice. If it's too clear, or the wrong temperature, what happens is determined by the contract between the employer and the testing facility. It's all about the money. In answer to your other question, if you were getting tested for medical reasons, you'd be told not to eat or drink anything after midnight the day of the test, in order to concentrate the dissolved solids in the urine. The amount of dissolved solids ("specific gravity") is indicative for various disease processes. MFPB: Please God, tell me you didn't do the pectin thing! (Heh. Just kidding. It won't help, but it won't hurt you.) Anyway, good luck. The testing will actually be completed within a day or two, depending on the testing facility. Unfortunately, the results go to the employer, not to you, and most employers will keep you on hold for a few days until they have a bunch of notifications to be done at once. Zemat: None of the above. He just won't get the job. He'll probably just get a phone call to the effect of "hey, you failed the drug test. Thanks for playing. [click]" The lab won't tell anyone, because they don't know who he is. The employer won't tell anyone else, because they're afraid they'll get sued. Most US employers won't even put a positive pre-employment test in writing, hence the phone call.
• Thanks for sharing your experience, hicinbaby.
• No kidding hicinbaby.... you're a lifesaver. (as are all of you.) Now if you'll excuse me, I could really use ~48 fluid ounces of water right about now, tata...
• Heh! We're all rootin' for ya, Mfpb 2 21!
• Make sure you let us know how it goes - just in case someone wants your advice on which things worked (or didn't, I guess). Good luck, we're all counting on you.
• Thanks guys. Update: took the test on Sunday around 6PM.... so, over 48 hours ago. Still haven't heard back from them (assuming this and the other checks all clear, I should get a phonecall around Friday.) I'm just hoping no news is good news. Suspense is killing me....!
• UPDATE: I passed!!!!!!!! And as Tracicle said, if you're ever in a situation like this, feel free to e-mail me and I'll help you out the best I can. in the meantime: i have 2 liters of cranberry juice for sale....
• Ha! Good for you, Mfpb 2 21! Glad to hear it.
• Yay! Well done.
• Now come on, tell us what ya did. This is important.
• Congrats. I know I said I was anti-drug test but this is important to you and I am glad you got in.
• Now come on, tell us what ya did. I drank lots of cranberry juice and water leading up to the test day, especially 6 hours before up to 15 minutes before the test. I also took 6 aspirin (one on the hour) in the six hours before the test. Had about 80mg of b-complex vitamins (1, 2, 6, and 12) in the 2 hours before the test to keep the pee yellow. Also took lots of tums (to ease my stomach pain from all the aspirin and cranberry juice, as well as to keep my sample's specific gravity up). (I took about 5,000mg of vitamin C that day too, only because a few said it would help and I figured it couldn't possibly hurt not to. But I doubt that was what did it.) Voila. How to beat the system a la me. (the only reason I didn't want to share is because I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings by not taking their advice. I basically did what seemed most acceptable and practical, especially on a tight budget, as deemed by my online and offline "research" in addition what the MoFi community said.)
• Disclaimer: aspirin in high quantities is NOT GOOD FOR YOU, especially if you have a weak, delicate, or diseased stomach! Six wasn't that bad (although it gave me a tummy ache) but more could've led to an ulcer, or worse. And don't ever take aspirin if you're a kid because of Reye's (sp?) Syndrome.
• i wonder what the aspirin does? boy, it's sure a wonder drug, ain't it. helps with EVERYTHING.
• I passed once by doing the incredible! lol...a nurse told me that clorox (as in bleach) diluted in pee would counteract the effects of pot by making it alkaline...or something, anyway, what I did was I soaked a bounty towel in bleach, put it in a bag in my back pocket, go in, pee in the cup and dilute exactly 2 drop of bleach in the full cup...I thought I was gonna fail, but I felt all james bond-ish... well, I didn't fail. but I hated the job...lol, so I quat.
• Thanks for sharing Mfpb. I doubt any one had their feelings hurt, and your example is truly an inspiration to us all.
• Sounds to as though testing for pot is really an intelligence test.
• Sound sot "me".
• Oh, forget it.
• Glad to hear it!
• your example is truly an inspiration to us all. *Does best Miss America imitation, runs* (no problem.)
• FUCK. Let's hope someone will still read this thread in the next 24 hours. I've got a problem and need advice! I took a pre employment drug screen last week, was told I passed, started work, and just found out this morning that it turns out someone in HR out at my (hopefully) company's office in Chicago really screwed up. My drug screen had been reported as "passed", but it just turned out that actually it was "too diluted". This would not have been a problem last week, as I hadn't smoked in a while and was clean. But celebrating my new job, I got stoned as all bloody hell last night and JUST FOUND OUT I HAVE TO RETAKE THE PEE TEST. Like, tomorrow morning. So my question is this: What can I take to pass it this late? I'm going to get the detox XXTRA clean drink, but I'm worried because, like I said, I smoked motherfuckinggoddamn last night. If I get another "diluted" result then I don't get hired, obviously if I fail I don't get hired. So I can't drink alot of water, because that's what got me in "diluted" mode before. But I need to drink tons of water... what the heck can I take so that my pee is not diluted and not positive? Damn the US and it's silly puritanical anti THC beliefs. Seriously. It's suuuuuch a better (in both personal dehabilitative and social constructs sense) drug than caffeine-nicotine-alcohol. Aayyyiiiiii.......
• Call in sick.
• Take B vitamins (all of 'em) like I did (see above) to make your pee look yellow, that way they wont get suspicious and check to see if its diluted. Then go back to drinking lots of water.
• Mfbp: congrats on the pass :o) Ian WS: Fark, that sucks. Good luck.
• Here's my two cents; my husband smokes almost every day. He has never failed a drug test. The first time he had to take a drug test, he went for the Tommy Chong stuff. I checked it out and it looked like all that was really in it was b-12. So, anyway, instead of buy that stuff at $20 a pop, he just takes b-complex vits. and drinks water. The day of the test, he doesn't overdo it with the water because if he isn't good to go in the morning, he won't be good to go a coupla hours later. And also, the dilution thing. Seems to work everytime, plus, I told him that if he ever lost a job because of pot, I'd divorce him. Not that I am against pot, it just isn't acceptable to lose a job over it.
• Hhhmmmm. Interesting. I think I'll hold on to this information.
• Why on Earth would a fellow whose nic is "Indica" want information on how to beat drug testing? *skins up*
• hmmm. Not sure about that, Wol *sounds of bubbling & deep intake of breath*
• Grown any? I have, but only one. Quite cute.
• Never knew, never had to know, didn't care....but since I ran into the info here, I'll hold on to it just in case someone else needs to know. Now, if you would all please excuse me, I have some watering to do.;)
• Grown any? *quotes self in breach of all known protocol* Any Indica, that is. Sativa, well, obviously!
• so ian, what happened?
• Yes.
• Yes. Kewl!