April 06, 2004

• I think all citizens should be treated equally by law. Why have seperate laws regarding behaviour towards a select few people? I also think having your photo super imposed onto the flag should be punishable by death, or something similar.
• dng: It's a good thing you're not an American--I'd have to decry you as an unpatriotic traitor if you were. :)~
• Dude, no posts from The Onion, please.
• Oh. Wow.
• It's not The Onion. A googled Kaye Grogan. She very real.
• Umm, I was being facetious. As usual ;)
• An unpatriotic traitor?
• If this is not parody, I will eat m... Oh, holy crap! It's like Peggy Hill came to life and started writing op-ed pieces. Wait, is this parody? The Daily Repulican sure looks... I mean is this for real? Jesus, Sully, what hell have you done to my sense of critical perspective?

  "A GOD GIVEN RIGHT cannot be legislated; cannot be turned into a privilege by a self-serving government who may then revoke it; cannot be judged or interpreted, and cannot be amended, added to a ballot, or repealed. OUR RIGHTS have no "loopholes." Any law restricting use, quantity owned or purchased, magazine capacity, configuration, caliber, firing operation, or age limits is unconstitutional. REQUIRING ANY PERMITS, licenses, fingerprinting, background checks or ID cards is illegal under the Constitution. Registering guns means registering people and makes criminals of the lawful. All of the above mentioned restrictions are infringements on our rights as free Americans and we must not tolerate them any longer." Armed Females of America Mission Statement

• Boo, Bush already does most of the things she listed under the Patriot Act.
• Boo, that is exactly what I was going to say. She is "Peggy Hill" come to life. Blunt assertions, with no reasoning backing them up, and a fierce lack of ability to stick to the point. I note that according to her bio, "Kaye has many published poems." With her stylistic writing grace, these must be a true marvel.
• Be patriotic. Wear faux leopardskin.
• Great, an uglier Anne Coulter. I cannot believe this isn't parody.
• i wet myself in fear. again. Sullivaaaaaan!
• A disembodied head, slowly drowning in a leaopardskin sea, while tormented by the images of clip-art flags it has known which flash through its fading mind. It is in response to this picture that I feel compelled to wonder out loud: is this the time for the first MONKEYFILTER PHOTOSHOP CONTEST? IS IT? Hmmm.
• *f8x shivers in fear* Linda Georgian called. She wants her blouse back.
• She looks like she's being eaten by a very gauche snake.
• .....What can I say? Where do I START? She and her ilk are right about one thing. This country is going straight to hell.
• I'd hit it!
• Do you mean punch it?
• A GOD GIVEN RIGHT cannot be legislated Where in the biblee does it say that people have a right to wield firearms? I'd hit it, too. (and yes *I* mean punch it, because it's my GOD GIVEN RIGHT to hit people I DON'T LIKE and to CAPITALIZE at WILL)
• Let's make it a world-wide law, with death as the penalty. And discard that Constitution crap. And rename the country Myanmar.
• Let's also make it law that all citizens of the world wear "faux leopardskin."
• Well, I think she's a total loon, and a crap writer, as I'll show in a moment, but c'mon, guys - mocking her appearance really doesn't give you a lot of credibility. Find flaws in her ideas, her arguments, but otherwise you look like the one who's irrational. If there's one thing I dislike more than people like her in politics, it's when irrelevant things like identity and appearance get so much attention. Why should it matter if she's ugly? Why should it matter if John Kerry looks like he's been Botox-ed half to death? Or at least, why should it matter so much? There's so much to choose from, as it is. This one part, for example: "administering dishonorable and ambidextrous motivational charges against the president, trying to make political headway and galvanize or provoke ant-Bush hatred," She obviously never met a thesaurus she didn't like...it also doesn't make much sense, "ambidextrous" is totally out of context, and it makes me think she's just overblowing the whole thing.
• Finest use of Poodle Hair I've seen in years.
• OK, this is stilly. Cut this shit out, or Canada is going to have to come over there and burn the White House down again. (I joke, because the thought that some non-trivial proportion of voters would not only agree with this thesis, but probably suggest sending Marines to Canada would have been a reasonable response to members of the Canadian government dissing the pres, is enough to drive me mad.)
• but.... she has won photo contests all over the world !
• "With all thier hockey hullabaloo, And that bitch Anne Murray too.."
• I made the mistake of scrolling down and checking out her column on abortions. Gaaah. I also agree with livii - the writing reminds me of junior high, where you toss up as many examples as you can think of and hope one of them sticks. She's supposed to be writing about criminalizing false accusations about the President. In the same article, she brings up pro-life Democrats, Bush's National Guard service, and Congressional term limits.
• Someday I hope to be coordinated enough to administer "ambidextrous motivational charges". That would so cool, whatever it means. On the serious side, the most disturbing part of this piece is not her position on selected issues, but the desire to prevent criticism of the Office of the President. That way tyranny lies. The President of the US is already too ceremonially powerful - the demand for maintaining the dignity of the Office even now interfeers with democratic criticism of the elected official. He (or she, someday) is only a politician, subject to the same criticisms for decisions that any politician is - more so, because the stakes are too high. To suggest that this criticism should be prevented is to suggest that the United States should become a charismatic dictatorship. I don't think any serious Republican would ever go this way - but it does frighten me the extent to which honest, or even dishonest, criticisms of the President are taken to be a slight on the Office. If I said Jean Chretien was a weasily man who would do anything for popularity (though I'd still vote for him), or that Martin is a short sighted, power-hungry crypto-Conservative, I've said nothing about the office of the Prime Minister, the Liberal Party or my country. And my country is stronger (and more entertained) by the willingness to be critical of our politicians in this way. Damn! The videos are gone - I wanted to watch "Why the Liberals will rule Canada forever" again. I wish I got CBC in the US. /pout
• de gustibus non disputandem est.
• Well, I think she's a total loon, and a crap writer, as I'll show in a moment, but c'mon, guys - mocking her appearance really doesn't give you a lot of credibility. Find flaws in her ideas, her arguments, but otherwise you look like the one who's irrational. If there's one thing I dislike more than people like her in politics, it's when irrelevant things like identity and appearance get so much attention. Why should it matter if she's ugly? Why should it matter if John Kerry looks like he's been Botox-ed half to death? Or at least, why should it matter so much? Livii, has a point. We're coming off like a bunch of Glenn Reynolds. However, I posted this as humor. I am not too worried about people taking Kaye Grogan seriously. Not all political posts should be serious.
• Ugly has nothing to do with it, livii. She's not ugly. She scarily disconcerting in a way that makes you immediately wary. She's probably copying down our names right now. Dunh, dunh, DUNNHHH!
• That's an interesting site. Over the past year there have been 69 articles mentioning 'Hitler' out of about 1000 articles. Therefore, you have an approximate 1/14 chance of reading about Hitler. Also included is a strangely liberal article.
• niccolo: that's a really good article. "...let me say there's one golden rule in life, and it's a rule they don't always teach you in high school. ...It is: Ask Questions." Hear Hear!
• niccolo: This article he references in the one you've found is also quite interesting. He seems like your classic Economist/Goldwater/O'Rourke-before-his-brain-fell-out conservative.
• I'd hit it! Meh. Someone needs to feed her a sangwich. /also Fark
• Seriously, the biggest weakness in this line of argument-from a partisan perspective-is the major example of a president being hampered by criticism is that the efforts to get bin Laden in the late 90s were (according to various statements from officials of the time) were hampered by the "wag the dog" accusations from the, er, Republicans.
• However, I posted this as humor. I am not too worried about people taking Kaye Grogan seriously. Not all political posts should be serious. Point taken; sorry if I came across as too harsh, I was just not entirely sure of the context and it had seemed a bit ridiculous. But yeah, she's certainly a flake, and it is fun to point and laugh sometimes. :)
• With such deeply intelligent and talented commentary, I'm sure that the dictionary lists "engaging in insightful political discourse" as the very definition of "grogan"!
• **quidnunc kid sent to his room for extreme childishness**
• sorry if I came across as too harsh You didn't, livii, you were very nice about it, and I totally agree -- I hated to say anything because I was enjoying the snarky vibe of the thread and am as horrified as anyone at this Grogan creature (poems??), but I'm glad you said it and I hope we can avoid that sort of appearance-mockery here on MoFi, where all monkeys are fur-covered anyway (and some have highly colored rumps).
• Oh, and thanks for the definition, quidnunc -- you can come out of your room, and you get an extra bunch of bananas for supper!
• Languagehat, you've made a naughty child very happy.
• Skipping the (rightly avoided) issue of her appearance, I can safely say that her grammar would be sub-par for a 14-year-old blogger. Yuck.
• Yeah! Her Grammar sucks, and her Grammpa sucks too.
• I'm sure that the dictionary lists "engaging in insightful political discourse" as the very definition of "grogan"! That is the best snarky post I have seen in awhile.
• Kaye's given us all so much joy today. Thanks for sharing her with us. *wipes away a tear*
• Maybe we should invite her over here as one of SideDish's proposed special monkeys...
• languagehat, I'll have you know that the skin of my bottom is not merely delightfully smooth and supple, but that there is nary a whit of unbecoming colour about it.