November 21, 2007

• I agree . . . I hates the youztubez links too -- plust my workplace blocks them.
• ...and why did the title end up in the post? It's never done that before...
• What's wrong with video news reports? I understand the computer-with-no-sound issue, and the work-blocks-YouTube issue, but I don't understand what's wrong with a video news report. IMO People post YouTube links because they can be really funny, entertaining, or enlightening, and limiting their use in FPPs would limit MoFi content unnecessarily and possibly to MoFi's detriment.
• I'm just saying if a text news report exists that has the same information, it should be used instead.
• I agree with rocket88. I don't want to do anything that will discourage posting here. We need it. But rocket88 is not discouraging any posting. He is merely requesting that links to a news story go either to a text report, or also to a text report. I haven't really noticed what he is talking about, but I assume he is not making it up. Rocket88 will have my vote at the upcoming caucus.
• Again, to clarify my understanding of rocket88's position, I don't think he is suggesting that we do away with Youtube posts. I think he is saying if the Youtube post is only containing news or the equivelant, then the poster should also include a text link along with or instead of the Youtube link.
• I shall now stop speaking for rocket88.
• I sympathize, as my work computer is also mute (and doesn't even have a Flash player), but I thought most of the YouTube links were of videos and cartoons and the like? Maybe I'm unaware of a preponderance of YT news reports because I don't click on YT links until I get home, if I remember, which I usually don't. And if you don't put a link in the URL field, the title will show up in the post.
• That said, I've done plenty of bellyaching in the past about people posting ANY videos (or Flash sites) while I'm working, and been swiftly ignored, which leads me to believe you're all a bunch of jerks and should go to hell.
• Okay, sometimes there are fpps that use a single youtube link to discuss a subject that could probably benefit from some supplementary text links. So, uh, when there's an option, provide some text links in addition to the Youtubery. How's that?
• Oh, and I'm still ignoring Koko and therefore didn't hear her insult me. Ha ha!
• I agree with nickdanger, being someone who is too impatient usually to wait for a YT video to fully load.
• There were two such links today...one in the "carried interest" post and one in the "worse than bush" post. I managed to google up a text story for the first, but I still have no clue what the second was about. And yes...I love the youtube music and interesting/funny video links...keep 'em coming. This is about stuff that can easily be represented by a text equivalent, like news stories.
• I suggest all of Koko's future posts be accompanied by an interpretive dance from now on.
• I, too, don't have audio at work, but I don't see any problem in linking to youtube for so-called news reports. This post looks more like a reaction to HW's post one over - - which leads me to think this is one of the annoying things about MoFi that tends to creep up every now-and-then. If you don't like it, then just ignore it. Everyone is unique and has their own preferences - - so be it. If a text reports exists, fine and dandy... sometimes I like to watch... sometimes I like to read. Go figure! I also agree with what Nick said.
• I don't mind YouTube inks in FPP's, as long as the same standards for "is this interesting enough to be an FPP?" apply. I would, however, prefer to have YouTube links always clearly marked as such.
• I also have no sound at work, and my organization bans any streaming multimedia due to bandwidth. I do wind up missing a lot of the video posts because I forget to look at them at home. But I don't think they should go away. A marking that a post is video so that I don't have to quickly click away before the bandwidth police are all over it is nice. I also often google stories that are news videos, so if people can find a text link it'd be nice. If not, I just won't read your damned post. (Or I'll google it. Or whatever.) So I guess what TUM and Nick said.
• The "abuse" of YouTube links in FPPs? This mountain sure looks like a molehill to me. That said, my apologies for not indicating that my Warren Buffet link was YouTubish.
• Sometimes -- shhh, don't tell anyone! -- I actually prefer video links to text stories. To, you know, actually take advantage of the opportunities provided by bandwidth. Does that make me bad?
• While I have no objection to video links, even though I rarely have an opportunity to watch them, I'd like to see a warning tag on the FPP, such at SLYTP, or SLVP. (Single Link You Tub Post or Single Link Video Post). On reconsideration, any warning should be spelled out in full - if it's longer than the actual post, then it should be automatically deleted.
• I would like to see a move to only youtube links. If no youtube video exists, provide one of you reading the relevant site.
• I just want to be able to embed them.
• Sloot understands the issue more deeply than most. More delurking, Sloot!
• HW: you asked for it! *rustle*rustle*rustle* There. No pants.
• Like the internet, I think YouTube is just a fad, and will pass by quickly.
• And, I prefer FPP's that link to dogs with shawls.
• As long as lolcats aren't banned, it's all OK.
• Wingo: I just asked for consideration for those for whom youtube is blocked or otherwise unusable. Nobody is forcing you to be considerate.
• I am in complete agreement with TUM - let us have all video links ckearly marked as such. My net connection is rather slow, to say the least, and loading even a small UT video takes oozes of time, so I always skip them, and it annoys me that I have to click an item to discover that I cannot (due to the time involved) see it anyway. So please mark all video links clearly for the benefit of us "snail-net" users. Thank you!
• greybeard sounds like a bloke worth knowing.
• I just asked for consideration for those for whom youtube is blocked or otherwise unusable. Nobody is forcing you to be considerate. I call passive-aggressive bullshit. You weren't just asking for people to be considerate; you were accusing FPP posters who don't seek out text alternatives to YouTube posts as being "abusive" of some FPP ideal that only you seem to know the details of. There are two distinct issues here, and you're conflating them. There's no question monkeylion and I should have indicated that we were linking to YouTube videos; that's the "considerate" part, and I know I'll be particularly sensitive to this moving forward. The other part has to do with whether YouTube links, particularly YouTube links to news reports, are appropriate in FPPs. I say, "Sure they are." There was nothing at all inappropriate about the Warren Buffet link, or the Courage Campaign link. Sorry about my aggressive response, but I was ticked off at what seemed like your attempt to impose what I see as a silly restriction on FPPs.
• I agree with everyone. The internet is bad. No linking to the internet in FPP's please!!1 That said youtube = tv = drug of a nation = evil
  WARNING WARNING ... youtube may effect your intellect, pregnant women should only use the internet under the supervision of a sane individual
• Jesus Christ, Wingo...are you ultra defensive because it was your post that triggered this, or are you just out looking for a fight? Read my original comment again: "Can we have a self-imposed limitation on You-Tubery?" Self-imposed. How can you twist that into calling for a restriction? And linking to a video of someone saying words that are available in text form *is* abuse (as in not the proper use) and *is* inconsiderate of users who can't see or hear the video. And before you accuse me of imposing my FPP ideals on the whole site, let me point out for those too dense to realize it that my opinions are just that: my opinions. I requested consideration for others but believe me, you're always free to ignore my request. Nobody here ('bashi excluded) has the power to stop you from being a prick.
• I'm the only one supposed to do this shit.
• MonkeyFilter: my lip-reading skills are limited to curse words, so I'm missing out here MonkeyFilter: you're all a bunch of jerks and should go to hell. That's weak, and that's childish Even the dog thinks so.
• MonkeyFilter: Nobody is forcing you to be considerate. MonkeyFilter: Nobody here has the power to stop you from being a prick. Mmmmmm, what's that I small? Got Napalm?
• Whoah hang on there my little compadres. For a second there I thought I'd gone to the wrong filter. Rocket88 - honey this is mountain out of molehill I'm afraid. It's pretty easy to roll over a link and see that it's youtube. Then you can make the choice to watch it later at home, or to not watch it at all. Self imposed restriction? Nah. How about we just let things be and perhaps if others find alternative versions they post them as comments? If you don't like the post you can always move on - or make an post yourself about something you are interested in with no youtube.
• rocket, are you serious? You reacted to a link to a perfectly fine Warren Buffet interview -- which I admit, WITH ALL MY HEART, should have been accompanied by a YouTube warning -- by creating an FPP implying that that link -- its content, not the way I presented it -- was somehow inappropriate and possibly "abusive" (whatever that means). Am I the only one who might be accused of overreacting? Let's shake hands and move on, man.
• I requested consideration for others but believe me, you're always free to ignore my request. Nobody here ('bashi excluded) has the power to stop you from being a prick. rocket, can you not see that this is classic passive aggression?
• YouTube links? Why would anyone stoop so low?
• And Wingo, you're a freaking shill for Warren Buffet (and Jimmy too, ya freaking Parrothead)
• I just rolled my eyes so hard they fell out of my head. Give it a rest, please, it's a holiday.
• You all surf pr0n Mofi at work? Your pay should be cut.
• *scampers around on floor picking up eyeballs to put in the martoonies Oh, oh, Trac's here and she's cranky!! I think we need to have some turkey tryptophan goodness. OK, guys, no more pissin' in the yams. GramMa's going to make her special homemade egg noodles to pour over the mashed potatoes. This year I put onions, celery, sausage, giblet meat, mushrooms, dried cranberries, pecans, and all the yummy spices in the stuffing. While it was cooking, I drank some sparkling cider and decide to bast Mr. Bird with it on occasion. Very moist an flavorful white meat, with a yummy tang to the stuffing. (I snitched a few bites) We're also going to have Green Bean Casserole topped with Frenches Onion Rings, because all the kids like it. Pies are homemade, too. Everybody's invited, as long as there's no fighting. Hank, RtD, and Sloot have to sit at the kid's table.
• what are y'all celebrating in New Zealand today?
• STOP FIGHTING!!!! Are you happy now, rocket, you cunt???!!! *hides under bed* *cries*
• what are y'all celebrating in New Zealand today? If you're homeless, ya gets toiky!
• Where I come from, it's not Thanksgiving until someone hides under a bed and cries. HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!!
• Yes, where I come from, this is the day that we celebrate the harvest that happened a month and a half ago and have a fine meal just like the white settlers and the Indians never had together hundreds of years ago. Enjoy, everyone!
• Ah, the traditional Thanksgiving family row!
• It's basically just Christmas Dinner a month early, isn't it? No wonder you are all fat blerts.
• Now that I live and work in glorious nation Canuckistan, I am thankful for the fact that my valuable US customers are going to LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE TODAY.
• Lazy. Fat. Blert.
• Oooooh!! My coworker just gave me a McDonald's hash brown!! Now to take a relaxed attitude towards work as I enjoy the oily, starchy goodness!
• Well I spent all morning playing with my Gimp. Unfortunately, this was the graphics package, not the sex slave. It's their day off today.
• OK...calmly and without any hint of aggression. 1. I'm not against YouTube links when the video itself is the subject. I wait until I can view them and then do so. This has never been a problem. 2. I asked...*asked*... that when the YouTube video is just a medium for a news story, that the poster voluntarily include or substitute a text version, in consideration of those of us who can't see or hear the video. 3. me:I requested consideration for others but believe me, you're always free to ignore my request. Nobody here ('bashi excluded) has the power to stop you from being a prick. hw:rocket, can you not see that this is classic passive aggression? I respectfully disagree. There was nothing passive about my aggression. That comment was simply a response to your assertion that my request was an imposition. 4. Apologizing for aggression and then continuing it, as you did above, is a better example of classic PA. I've never had any issue with you in the past, HW, and to be honest I don't now, either. I honestly believe that you misinterpreted my request as a demand for a YouTube ban, which I tried to explain (unsuccessfully) was never the case. Anyway, I've made my request, which was all I wanted to do, and I will move on. There are no hard feelings on my part.
• Tiny sausage wrapped in bacon, anyone?
• Please!
• * stares at soup as if it contains the answer to everything and eats in complete silence
• Um... Er.... *Inspired* So! How was your journey?
• MY, how the kids have grown!!!
• More gravy?!!? *rushes into kitchen for sly ciggie*
• MY, how the kids have grown!!! Don't you all just love that color sweater on fistynuts? *grits teeth, leans over toward rocket88 and says sotto voice: Would you like to eat in the kitchen young man? *smiles brightly More jello salad, anyone? Don't forget to save room for the pies! MonkeyFilter: No wonder you are all fat blerts.
• *returns, reeking of smoke and carrying fresh can of Stella* Heyyy! Where's my sausage wrapped in bacon gone? *Looks accusingly at koko*
• *passes out watching football* *frightens dog with gas*
• *wakes up halfway through dinner with a breakfast hangover, is grumpy* (I'm on holiday because #2 has the day off work to do a short-term contract thingy. So although it's not Thanksgiving here, I am sitting on my butt all day and snacking.)
• I'm just saying if a text news report exists that has the same information, it should be used instead. I think that a video should be used in place of text, if at all possible. Text should be a last resort. Context is important. Every transcript (video to text) I've read has altered emotion/tone/whatever of the piece, while getting it technically right word for word. Something important is lost.
• If Thanksgiving had any truthfulness as a festival, everyone would eat Indians.
• Would the Indians have asked the Pilgrims to avoid YouTube links?
• Why are you asking me?
• Pilgrims would have probably posted Indians to youtube if possible.
• *drinks Jim Beam, flaps arm* Neh! Neh! Neh! Neh! Fff! Fff! Fff! Indians.
• *GramMa enters to interrupt the stupor I've just made coffee! Anyone for a turkey sandwich and some pie?
• I give thanks and pass on good wishes But wonder who the fuck is going to do the dishes
• You...you know what your problem is? *points* Well, I'll tell you. *sips whiskey* It's your goddamn face. *hurp* *vomits on cat*
• And once again, a typical day of thanks has passed with the usual cast of characters.
• *now has enough Issues to last the whole rest of the year*
• *hugs Pallas before she goes out the door See you at Christmas, honey!
• Shut up and eat your fucking turkey.
• I stopped reading when the drama started, since that's even less interesting then a YouTube link, but I'll just add two more cents. I must say I've noticed for myself that whenever I see a YouTube link I'm less motivated to click it then usual. Even when I'm not at work. You do get the feeling that people are blinded by the science of moving pictures and post stuff that even America's Funniest Home Videos wouldn't touch. Would you post lyrics or .wavs of a certain singer/band? No? Then why make a Youtube post about it? On the other hand, you could say that things like lolcats don't deliver that much depth and quality either. I would agree with a sort of quality standard for this. The idea of posting a text link instead when there's one available would seem like a good start. And padding a post with supporting links and context always helps, of course.
• After cleaning and cooking for the last two days I don't need to put up with this crap. Now you can just go make your own damn turkey sandwich!
• The kind of thing I was referring to.
• But then there's something like this. Where for me it's not my favourite band, nor my favourite song, but I love it because it's a little gem of a recording that explains in a nutshell the genius of this band and what they went on to do. /long sentence /i'll have a pint with you, sir
• Apologizing for aggression and then continuing it, as you did above, is a better example of classic PA. I think it's a tie. So you understand, I was rankled by your judgment that if I don't create FPPs the way you want me to, then I'm both inconsiderate and a prick.
• Not what I meant at all, but I'm willing to drop it.
• I am very pro this bout of turkey fueled drama because it brought greybeard out into the open, and I always enjoy his appearances.
• 1. I just asked for consideration for those for whom youtube is blocked or otherwise unusable. Nobody is forcing you to be considerate. 2. I requested consideration for others but believe me, you're always free to ignore my request. Nobody here ('bashi excluded) has the power to stop you from being a prick. I'm prepared to drop it, too, rocket -- really -- but I have to tell that, given those two statements, I can't see how you can say it wasn't what you intended.
• OK, I'll clarify what I meant, for the sake of closure. I didn't mean it was inconsiderate and prickish to make an fpp with video links. I did mean it was inconsiderate and prickish to react to my request (which, for the record was that fpp posters consider those without access to video links and voluntarily include text links whenever possible) with a response that IMO was equivalent to "NO!...Why the hell should I?".
• I put the lima beans to soak last night, and today they went into the crockpot with the left-over ham bone to soak. I think I'll serve it tonight with a nice salad and cheese bread. Here's a couple links (*HINT) for those of you who are NOT invited to dinner. 1. 2. 3. 4. Yeah, some of them are YouTube links. *HINT: Roll your mouse over the highlights and look down on the status bar. If you see the URL address, you don't have a status bar. Go to View, status bar, and click to check mark. Anybody that surfs the web via a clicky-linky these days without a status bar to tell where they're going is an idiot. If you don't know they're YouTube links before you click then .... And while we're waiting for the beans, I offer the fruits of this post: MonkeyFilter: you're all a bunch of jerks and should go to hell MonkeyFilter: If you don't like it, then just ignore it MonkeyFilter: This mountain sure looks like a molehill to me. MonkeyFilter: Nobody is forcing you to be considerate. MonkeyFilter: The internet is bad. MonkeyFilter: I'm the only one supposed to do this shit. MonkeyFilter: Why would anyone stoop so low? MonkeyFilter: it's not Thanksgiving until someone hides under a bed and cries MonkeyFilter: Tiny sausage wrapped in bacon, anyone? MonkeyFilter: Shut up and eat your fucking turkey. *goes into stir beans with wooden spoon* *comes back to stir thread with shitty stick* *wipes hands and takes off apron* *reminds self not to get utensils mixed up* *rustle*rustle*rustle* There. No pants. posted by Sloot Sloot! My how you've grown. *pinches cheeks* Come sit down on the couch and talk to your GramMa! Are you by any chance related to the Petebests? For some reason, you remind me of them. They were a lovely bunch, and I miss them. Put your pants back on if you want beans, Mister.
• I stood prevaricating over the tiny sausages wrapped in bacon yesterday in Asda (part of the Walmart family!), but decided against it as it's not even December yet. I may not make the same decision next week.
• Every Christmas Eve when I was a kid, we used to have cocktail weenies marinated in some magic honey glaze my Mom whipped up in her secret alchemical lab. Also, those little square cocktail breads spread with a mixture of egg salad and potted meat. When we got older, we'd make tiny little reuben sammiches out of the leftover cocktail bread.
• Apropos of nothing, I hear Asda has kajillions of Quality Streets stacked for sale, as if someone actually likes them.
• They serve their purpose, which is to provide a chocolate-flovoured palate cleanser between turkey butties over Christmas. Green triangle for me, please.