November 29, 2006

Civil war declared in Iraq By NBC
posted by Wolof 17 years ago
  • The next six months will be crucial!!!2 /spittle
  • It's about fucking time.
  • members of the Interior Ministry kidnap people from the Education Ministry, that sounds like a civil war. Yeah I would fucking think so. Can we lynch the administration now?
  • Not according the Bush administration however.
  • (cue droning british accent) Civil you say? By the looks of it all It's a rather uncivil war More tea dear?
  • Letterman's line wasn't too bad: "It's not a civil war until it becomes a series of Time-Life books."
  • > Civil war declared in Iraq I was wondering when this would happen. Some recent signs not mentioned in the article: The 10000-strong Mahdi army demonstrating against the government and taking over the state-run television station for two hours. The Iraqi president being unable to depart for a diplomatic visit to Iran due to curfew in Baghdad. The Shiite prime minister's motorcade being stoned by Shiite demonstrators. FUBAR
  • It doesn't bleeping matter what CNN calls it.
  • Jimmy Carter said that he personally would think a civil war situation to be worse than that currently in Iraq, but I think it is a relative definition. I don't think that in reality there are clear cut definitive delineations between states of existance. The current situation in Iraq is, to all intents & purposes, a civil war amid an occupied populace, with an ineffectual puppet government & rapidly building schisms within the authority structures. A 'full-blown civil war' will happen when it gets even worse, which it looks like it will. But, like fuyugare says, "it doesn't matter". It's not relevant what you call it. It's beyond the couched & impersonal terminology uttered by armchair quarterbacks, tv talking heads & keyboard kommandos. Our inability to connect with the reality of it, is in fact part of the reason it has happened.
  • > But, like fuyugare says, "it doesn't matter" The people who are against using the words 'civil war' believe use of the term will make a difference to the populations of coalition countries, affecting the level of support for the occupation. If they're right, this will have some effects on the people of Iraq. Granted, those dying and being injured in Iraq now are unlikely to care much about how Western media represent the conflict.
  • Our inability to connect with the reality of it, is in fact part of the reason it has happened. Yeah, well, I marched, wrote indignant letters, etc. Which seemed like the only courses of action open to me, rather than, say, linking to a video beheading on Mofi and screaming how anyone who didn't watch it was a moral coward and a hypocrite because they bore the responsibility for this.
  • A photo-op and dinner to boot. Hot damn, I wish I was a swashbuckling politician. By this weekend, I think there will be
  • uggh, I think there will be many more jumping on the "civil war" bandwagon.
  • No there isn't. He characterizes the Iraqi conflict as being driven by "small factions fighting each other." "There are killers still on the loose in this country. I think it's a very small percentage of the population, and the idea that this whole country is at war with one another is absolutely not true. There are zealots here that will stop at nothing," he says.
  • And Yet • Fifty killed and 103 hurt in two bombs in markets in Iraqi city of Tal Afar • Car bomb kills 10 on main street near capital of Anbar province • Mortar fire in Baghdad kills four civilians and injures 14, police say