November 17, 2006

• The Long March (Traditional Chinese: 長征; pinyin: Chángzhēng) was a massive military retreat undertaken by the armies of the Communist Party of China with the support of the People's Liberation Army, to evade the turning point of the Kuomintang army Bush is a commie and is almost certainly the Manchurian Candidate. One look at Barbara Bush and it is certain.
• He's a fucking moron & his whole team have lost the plot. Rove is no damn genius. Any pig can sling mud, which has been his whole methodology to date. That & plain bald-face lying. That worked for a while, sad as it was. The hubris & incompetence of the Bush administration & their echo-chamber ranks of yes-men are the gifts that keep on giving.
• Were his first words, "Sorry I'm 30 yers late?"
• Maybe so Chy - that would explain a few things. TUM - heh
• Heh indeed. Thanks for the Friday evening laugh everyone.
• If Bush didn't show up at APEC, it would be even easier for China to continue replacing America as the country of influence in the region. It is, after all, quite an important part of the world economically, and the source for an enormous amount of US goods. This isn't a tuppeny-ha'penny photo-shoot, believe it or not.
• Mmm-Bush as Cassandra. Make the association that Iraq is Vietnam then blame the Dems for the defeat. It does have symmetry. And yeah, 'freedom takes a long time to trump hate' but exactly what is he talking about-Vietnam or Trent Lott? The long march of history will need to know right where to get the kool aid. I'm sorry to be so doleful but there just isn't any acid strong enough to make it ok for Bush to be in Vietnam. He doesn't have the right.
• The man is a total idiot. Gaaaaahhhh!!! When will somebody stop him from making a total ass out of our political system? "history has a long march to it"??? WTF? The only history that petty little tyrant has in mind is his fantasy of a glorious era when George was king.
• What the Bush is trying to say is that if they leave Iraq now, the Vietnamese will take it over.
• This isn't a tuppeny-ha'penny photo-shoot, believe it or not. That it's a photoshoot at all is what boggles me mind. Could he not have sent Condi or . . um . . the money guy or something? I just think it invites comparisons to Vietnam when it doesn't "need" to (from Rove's perspective). Perhaps they just don't care? Perhaps the Democrats' sweep two weeks ago makes them want to lie down like a cranky child and not do anything but scream for two years. Quack!
• Delusional states of consciousness make people do all manner of extraordinary things, petebest.
• Like vote Republican.
• I just think it invites comparisons to Vietnam when it doesn't "need" to (from Rove's perspective). Perhaps they just don't care? Or perhaps he's there because it's actually important for him to be there for reasons unrelated to the Iraq war? Abiezer makes the right point, but it gets lost because it seems we're just as much of a broken record as Bush is.
• Bush has objectives to fufill. This was just one of them. Just as the fly-over of New Orleans was a success, so was this. I, Lord Foetus, approve. On with the show!
• Monkeyfilter:Delusional states of consciousness
• On Saturday, Mr. Bush’s national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, conceded that the president had not come into direct contact with ordinary Vietnamese, but said that they connected anyway. “If you’d been part of the president’s motorcade as we’ve shuttled back and forth,” he said, reporters would have seen that “the president has been doing a lot of waving and getting a lot of waving and smiles.” He continued: “I think he’s gotten a real sense of the warmth of the Vietnamese people and their willingness to put a very difficult period for both the United States and Vietnam behind them.” This is not quite on topic, but I guess that bit from the nytimes sorta summed things up for me.
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• Olbermann Delivers A Special Comment Educating Bush on Vietnam
• Antiwar Vietnam Vets Mentor Next Generation of Resisters
• Historian: Bush’s ‘distortion’ of Vietnam ‘boggles my mind.’
• David Shuster Dismantles President Bush’s Viet Nam Rhetoric
• I dropped in last night and was very warmly welcomed!
• Ah, damn, Wrong thread.
• What, you didn't feel warmly welcomed? You a Republican or sumpthin'? *squints suspiciously
• Bush's "Killing Fields" and the Real Lesson of Vietnam
• TUM will need to be sent to a re-education camp.
• > Bush's "Killing Fields" and the Real Lesson of Vietnam I'm glad someone has made the link between US actions in Vietnam and the rise of Pol Pot. This was the worst part of that pile of shite Bush spouted. Does anyone seriously believe that he's trying to broaden support for the war in Iraq with this Vietnam analogy? He's playing to the die-hard "we should never have left Saigon" crowd. What's odd about this is that they're one of the few groups left who wholeheartedly support the engagement in Iraq. Maybe he thinks they need some reassurance in the run up to the invasion of Iran.
• Another Iraq-Vietnam Link: Many Killed By U.S. War
• Does anyone seriously believe that he's trying to broaden support for the war in Iraq with this Vietnam analogy? Well . . . yes? I guess. I guess it could be two things.
• I could believe that he's trying, I suppose. Whether or not he actually believes there's a possibility of success is another story.
• Roryk, I'm glad I'm not the only one sitting there with a dropped jaw at some of the crap he was spouting. I was beginning to wonder if I'd been totally wrong about what I actually heard, and about the history I'd read years later Was I confused then, or am I being BushWacked again?
• So at this point, Iraq is more or less shagged. Why would Bush want to use a Vietnam analogy? Some of it is the old "staying the course" rhetoric, which is fair enough as we've heard it mutltiple times before. Another aspect is that he personally doesn't have to see anything through beyond the end of next year, unlike, for example, your average U.S. Marine. What's new to me is that 1. he's never suggested Vietnam was winnable 2. he's essentially arguing that the U.S. should've been in Vietnam indefinitely 3. he fundamentally does not see a difference between intervention/covert operations in and invasion/occupation of a sovereign state
• I'll take door number 3. You nailed it, roryk.
• Heck, he didn't have to personally see Vietnam through, either.
• Vietnam's real lessons: The war is indeed relevant to Iraq -- but not the way Bush thinks. By Andrew J. Bacevich.
• Iraq, Afghanistan War Costs Top Vietnam
• My first trip to the Vietnam Veterans' Memorial in DC brought me to silent tears, and I wonder how it cannot do the same to all others. This picture is a bit schmaltzy, but engenders the same emotions. War is so pointless, we are so stupid.
• RTD, you said a mouthful.