I think it's the activated charcoal thing on the air ducts at the Primate House at the zoo.
I've never gotten the whole "too cliquish" complaint as applied to online discussion. I mean, when I first came to MoFi, sure some of the commentary was the same few people discussing things. But that didn't stop me from chiming in. It's always going to be the same few people if nobody bothers to comment because it's the same few people. The ten-percenters here are very welcoming.
This could open up a vortex that could destroy us all
I agree that this place can be pretty cliquey sometimes. I've been down for almost three years but I still don't really feel like "one of the gang".. If we use the Cheers metaphor presented on the MeFi thread, I see myself as one of the people near the door who never gets to say a line.
Still, I love this place. Lots of great links and amusing comments. I just feel like I sometimes put in work to comment thoughtfully and get little or no response..
Oh STFU. When we want your opinion, we'll ask for it!
/ flings pooooo!!!
Evenin' everybody!
I get the cliquey complaint thing about here; but if I had five bucks, I'd so go to Mefi and tell them to get stuffed.
oh scartol darling! I suppose I am "one of the gang" and all I contribute is drive-by smart-assery and the occasional incoherent rant complaining about anti-choice nazi pigfuckers. the rare FPPs I make never get many comments.
and then I feel bad, so I make wee-wee jokes :D
/lends bobboggis a fiveski
*elbows scartol for more room near the door*
IMHO the sooner MeFi forgets about us, the better.
Cheers, Medusa.
And, by the way, for what it's worth, and if I'm any judge, I think you've got one of the smartest asses known to humanity.
As a dejected internet outcast myself, I know how MoFi must feel. It stings.
Making your way in the world today takes everything you've got.
Taking a break from all your worries, sure would help a lot.
Wouldn't you like to get away?
Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name,
and they're always glad you came.
You wanna be where you can see,
our troubles are all the same
You wanna be where everybody knows
Your name.
You wanna go where people know,
people are all the same,
You wanna go where everybody knows
your name.
Full Lyrics never actually aired
Making your way in the world today
Takes everything you've got;
Taking a break from all your worries
Sure would help a lot.
Wouldn't you like to get away?
All those night when you've got no lights,
The check is in the mail;
And your little angel
Hung the cat up by it's tail;
And your third fiance didn't show;
Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came;
You want to be where you can see,
Our troubles are all the same;
You want to be where everybody knows your name.
Roll out of bed, Mr. Coffee's dead;
The morning's looking bright;
And your shrink ran off to Europe,
And didn't even write;
And your husband wants to be a girl;
Be glad there's one place in the world
Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came;
You want to go where people know,
People are all the same;
You want to go where everybody knows your name.
Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came;
Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came...
I still feel disenfranchised.
I notice they've got a bee character, too. Maybe we're more "The Simpsons" than "Cheers."
So, is MeFi our Gary's Olde Towne Tavern?
I noticed that in this thread, when Tracicle posted a picture of the Santorum family, absolutely no one said anything cruel about his kids. Whereas in a similar MeFi thread, it was about the first thing they did. That, in a nutshell, is why I'd rather spend time here.
Sure, they have more new, exciting links-- because they have five times our membership numbers! I'd still rather post FPPs here (where they'll spark interesting discussion and bad puns and lovely poems and ASCII masterpieces) than there (where I'll get 25,000 people telling me why I suck).
I don't get the clique thing.
If you fucking have something to fucking say (as long as it isn't a self-link) then fucking well say it and stop fucking hiding in the fucking corner fucking whining about how you're fucking always being fucking ignored or aren't part of the fucking clique or fucking whatever.
If you don't fucking well have something to say that's fucking on point or fucking whatever, fucking say it anyway, goddammit.
Cheese and rice on a pogo stick, I'm pig-biting mad now!
fuck
before I knew about and joined MoFi I lurked on MeFi for a coupla years, when new membs were closed. then I joined Monkeyfilter and have never felt a big desire to join MeFi since, for many of the reasons Pallas Athena sites. I still read it (they have much bigger, nastier, full-on flame-out trainwrecks there, and sometimes I am just in the mood for a little spectatorial drama....
that said, PA, you wouldn't like to hear the things I said when I saw that pic of Santorums' kids!
Maybe they have the site confused with the cliques at Monkeyfilleter?
I just kinda felt sorry for them.
They're kids, with fundamentalist, right-wing parents. It's not that they had a choice or anything.
What is the point of belonging to umpteen forums? I don't get that. How can people keep track of what was said and who said it under such circumstances? My mind overloads often enough as 'tis with just MoFi to contemplate.
The cliqueish charge has always baffled me, but this has been helpful -- now I gather the term clique is simply being used to mean many of the same names show up in threads.
Well, lurking is a choice, and so is posting a comment. When monkeys feel like posting, I think they do.
Short of posting WELCOME NEW MONKEYS in every single thread on MoFi (an exceedingly dull solution!), I don't know how else we might enlarge the number of frequent posters/have a more inclusive clique-clack going on here.
regular monkeys always encourage lurkers to join in the fun. MCT even made a thread inviting/begging/challenging/commanding lurkers to UNLURK...it brought some shy monkeys out of the woodwork, which is awesome!
The dickishness quotient of MonkeyFilter is several orders of magnitude lower than MetaFilter, which is the ongoing appeal of the place to me.
I don't get the cliquishness complaint at all. It's just a much smaller community, with a much smaller active membership, and so there's bound to be a higher degree of familiarity. I have never found people here to be terribly cliquish, although the atmosphere is somewhat more "clubby", shall we say, than 40,000+ MetaFilter. Back in 2001, when I joined MetaFilter and there were only a couple of thousand members and a few dozen active posters, it was a lot clubbier, too.
What I have learned from this post and MetaTalk is that different sites appeal to different people, and going on about how one site is better than the other is pointless. I don't particularly like reading MeTa and hearing everyone going on about the negative aspects of MoFi, and I don't really like coming here and seeing everyone going on about the negative aspects of Mefi. Just enjoy what you enjoy and let everyone else enjoy what they enjoy.
So there.
I never read comments on MeFi or MoFi unless someone points them out to me or I'm commenting in them. I've seriously stopped giving flying fucks what a bunch of anonymous people on the internet think of whatever.
(Mainly because I'm nearly thirty and don't have too many flying fucks remaining. I know a couple guys in their 20s who gave too many of them and can only give ambulatory fucks! And this one fellow gave so many fucks that they had to put him in a fucking wheelchair!)
I love you, man.
Am I the only one who doesn't post much because of the one-session login cookie?
What's wanted is an option for "permanent" (or semi at least) login for those of us who use pretty much the same computer at the same location for monkeying around.
I never felt the clique thing, either. When I delurked, I felt more welcomed here than any other corner bar on the internet. I do really think it's the fact that there are fewer of us. And I like it. And anyone who doesn't like the monkey aspect of monkeyfilter can kiss my red monkey butt. Banana-hating freaks.
Somebody get me a beer. Kooookoooooo!
My login hardly ever expires. When it does, it's arbitrary; I still haven't figured out what triggers it.
I've never had a one-session login cookie. I stay logged in for weeks at a time.
Fuck that McDonalds
I like being Burger King
*offers Lara a Coopers*
Please call a doctor if you have a login cookie lsting longer than four hours.
Anybody but me wonder why Matt just didn't come over here, take a look around, and figure some of that stuff out himself?
that said, PA, you wouldn't like to hear the things I said when I saw that pic of Santorums' kids!
posted by Medusa
Aw, Medusa-- it's not what one says in private that matters, it's that you had the class not to post it on the internets where it would remain, fully searchable, for all eternity. That, my dear, makes you a monkey, in the word's finest sense.
My evolution:
1. lurked mefi.
2. saw mention of mofi.
3. lurked mofi and mefi.
4. joined mofi, lurked mefi.
5. gave up on mefi.
6. had painful erection.
metafilter: it's serious business
Anybody but me wonder why Matt just didn't come over here, take a look around, and figure some of that stuff out himself?
*raises hand*
but i'm always wondering about matt.
Whatever happened to Mo Fi?
That delicate simian site...
At least in my neck of the woods, the audience participation line was "She got fucked by a forty foot ape!"
I think that says something about MoFi/MeFi.
"Hey guys, they still have images on that MonkeyFilter!"
*Mad rush of MeFites just dying to share the wacky .gifs they've been sitting on for the past month*
I also wondered why post that at all. Then I thought maybe tracicle paid him to do that, so we'd realize how much we loved mofi. Then I had another drink and forgot about it.
MeFi is a huge, homogenous echo-chamber, with maybe one duty dissenter for people to rant at.
Round here it's a carnival of silliniess, inanity and borderline psychosis.
For any given topic, you can predict the entire course of the discussion. Here, it's a question of when, not if, there will be a monstrous, amusing, sometimes pointless, often funny derail.
I like our trainwrecks.
/rolls dice, randomly determines who he will tell to "fuck off" in this thread.
Our "unlurk" posts in the past haven't uncovered any reason why lurkers don't get more involved. Now, we seem to be going through a time when long-time contributors have disappeared, That's probably a normal evolution, but there are a bunch that I miss. And, I get the impression that several long-time members post/comment just to keep things going.
On the other hand, new voices have made themselves heard in no uncertain terms. I won't call out names, since you all know what big heads you get, but thank you!
And, scartol and others, the lack of comments isn't a reflection on the quality of the post (in fact, bad posts get lots of pointing and laughing and devolve into end-of-thread parties.) Many wonderful posts just don't make for discussion, even though folks like them.
Finally, I wondered when I read Matt Houghy's post whether he was being a nice guy and reminding MeFi readers that we're still here. (I'm a benefit of the doubt kinda gal.)
I sort of understand the cliquey comments. I don't think anybody wants to be cliquey; it's just the way it is.
It's kind of like a chatroom that you go into where a conversation is already happening, and you don't say anything because you've missed the beginning and don't know what to say, and when you do, everybody ignores you 'cause they're too busy continuing their conversation. (Not that I've made so many posts or comments here, but that's the general impression I got.)
It doesn't stop me from coming here, though. I do think semi-lurker comments are largely ignored by "the gang," which really isn't encouraging.
Or is it just me? Sniff! *goes to stand behind scartol*
The real question is: Why don't we talk about MetaFilter more often?
you wish.
oops, that was appropos of nothing
Just want to add my voice to the group that has said that it misses having more more-serious FPPs and threads on MoFi. This is not really a complaint; I've kind of adjusted (witness this), and I recognize that there are still occasional serious debates here. But I do miss knowing that when I visit MoFi there'll be an somewhat even mix of serious debate and joking around. To be fair, of late I'm as likely as the next monkey to impose jokes on what-could-have-been-serious threads. But that's mainly because when I've tried to use FPPs to start serious conversations lately, they've very quickly devolved into jokes or quality-of-the-FPP critiques, rather than considered discussion of the FPP.
Bottom line: I now look on MoFi as a place to come and have a little fun, rather than a place to learn about and discuss various issues -- and I'm much less likely than I used to be to take the time to construct a thoughtful FPP about a serious topic.
My solution: I'm gonna keep coming here to have fun, but I'm gonna try to post fairly regular posts about fairly serious topics in the hope that they'll generate some fairly considered discussion. I encourage you -- and you, and you! -- to do the same.
re: feeling ignored: I think a lot of people may get the false impression that if their post or comment got no feedback, it was received negatively. Consider how tiresome it would be if every comment was received with a chorus of "yeah!" "what he said!" "(((((" and so forth. Perhaps people are just quietly nodding their heads in approval, or stroking their chins thoughtfully. You'd never know! I'd say a good 80% of my comments get no response, but I don't let that stop me from blathering on and on and on and on day in and day out. I amuse myself, you see.
*gives nickdanger the finger*
What a coincidence. . .
Ahem, "Fuck off, Koko."
See lurkers, that's a perfect example of the kind of immediate response to your comments that you can look forward to when you join the inner-circle!
HawthorneWingo makes some good points. As we discussed before (on the MoFi blog and in mofirc at least) sometimes the line between a post that is serious and one that is for fun is blurred.
And really the solution to that is not complaining - but making a comment in a thread you feel has gotten confused that puts it back on track.
We definitely seem to operate on a binary toggle: nonsensical rhapsody or pile-on. It also seems like our "serious" discussions often devolve into nastiness and name calling, frankly I'm not surprised that people avoid them.
/rolls dice, randomly determines who he will tell to "fuck off" in this thread
Oh oh oh me. Pick me!
Too late, koko won.
As usual.
Rats
*ducks in*
Lurks about the place.
*ducks out*
I think that the cliquey allegation has less to do with the same people commenting, and more to do with the same people calling out the names of other members. There are an awful lot of comments that mention or call out another member on here that are not responsive to a comment previously made by that member in the thread.
If people on here are making jokes or being silly regarding a post or a theme, I don't think that lurkers feel alienated. I think they might enjoy it. They might want even want to join in. But when the joking and silliness is directed more at people by name in such a nonresponsive fashion, I think that it has the potential to make lurkers feel like they are interrupting someone else's conversation if they comment. It might make them feel a bit alienated.
Does it distress anyone else when we vent on MetaFilter? They do what they do, plain and simple, as do we. We're not in competition with them, but bad-mouthing them makes us look like also-ran wannabeMefilterites. That may have had some truth to it when we started up, but surely we're beyond that at this point. That site inspired this one, so if we like this one, maybe we should show it a bit of ancestor respect?
Do we really talk bad about them so much anymore? I for one haven't noticed a preponderance of "MeFi sucks!" comments lately.
I think the respect goes to Tracicle and #2, who have created and maintained this whole hoo-ha admirably.
I have a banana. In my pants.
Do you mean I can't get my GED here????? Somebody is so getting sued ....
Do we really talk bad about them so much anymore?
Agreed. I think this thread for instance has been more a look in the mirror than a comparison with Metafilter. I think we can recognize that MoFi and MeFi are two distinct beasts and at the same time discuss things we do and don't like about MoFi.
Does it distress anyone else when we vent on MetaFilter?
Yes. And I say that as one of the "Yeah! We're nicer! Take that!" annoying commenters, back in my wide-eyed n00b days. But as Nickdanger points out, that really doesn't happen all that much anymore.
The links between the sites are fading, slowly. They mention us less, and we mention them less, because we're becoming less about being MeFi's kid brother. We've lost people to reopened MeFi memberships, and we've lost people to jokey, derailtastic threads, and we're undoubtedly not as good on the front page as we used to be.
But there's still plenty of goodness to be found, methinks. Not to harp on and make it about me, but goddamn if this place didn't give me two of the best weeks in my life last month when I got to meet several of you in person, half a day's flying time and an ocean crossing later. By the end of the first week, expatriation was looking like a serious option, and that is neither joke nor exaggeration -- and it was the EuroMonkeys that made it so.
Devil's advocate: their front page is better, usually by a mile. But the people who make this place work? They make this place work. I'm not terribly worried about the future.
Hi ya Koko!
*tips hat to all*
Meta what? Meta who? [echo fades]
I don't comment much on either site, but I read both, and probably spend a roughly equal amount of time on each site.
Regarding commenting, I think if you're a stranger unfamiliar with local customs and personages; if you post on Metafilter you get flamed, if you post on Monkeyfilter you get ignored.
It depends which you prefer.
I wish I had the time to concoct some serious posts, too. But with two offspring fighting for attention, doing distance coursework with the local college of education, and all the other boring real-life stuff that happens, I have about enough time to read every comment and activate accounts before I run out of steam.
It is teh sad. And I am teh lazy.
I do have some odd little things that I have discovered via teachers' college that I could share: for example, if you go to the Colgate toothpaste website you can get enough toothpaste and toothbrushes to hand out to a classroom of kids, or keep for yourself and save on dental care for months! Resource kits are great. And I am saving money.
Okay, I haven't really done this yet, but I fully intend to.
*meanders in*
*mooches around*
*meanders out*
does hokey pokey while drinking Coopers.
& and the best thing is, it doesn't have to make sense!
How can people keep track of what was said and who said it under such circumstances?
Who keeps track?
It's been so long since Mefi got a mention here I seriously thought Matt Haughey was dead. But it's nice to see he's still puttering along.
I forgot how much I liked this place.
You monkeys made my day a bunch of times over. And you're t-shirt designs kick ass! MeFi should have such graphic designers.
Pallas Athena sucks? Man, if only I'd known...
Anybody but me wonder why Matt just didn't come over here, take a look around, and figure some of that stuff out himself?
He could've. I can't believe he didn't, if it was a genuine question. But if it was genuine, I doubt he would've phrased it in such a "Hey, did you ever quit beating your wife?" kinda way. No matter the response, it is still acknowledging legitimacy in a question that wasn't legitimate. The premise of the question is that Mofi has died. It's a fucking retarded premise. It's like Bill O'reilly asking "Hey, whatever happened to Al Franken?"
It's kinda funny, because the only reason why I ever surf over to his place is stop by MeTa and watch everybody fight with each other. There's multiple cliques over there, and they get defined by who you want to fight against.
If it's true there's a clique over here, then it's just one clique that anyone and everyone is welcome to walk up and join.
You sick fuck.
See? Already a serious discussion is descending into cliquey wibble.
I'll take the lot of you cliquey claquey fucks on. I have the power of ONE!!!!!1111!
THAT'S MY BLOOD!
If the donor reads this I am in *so* much trouble.
Also, I burned my thumb this evening. Where do I complain?
I haven't said anything in this thread.
At least seeing this thread reminded me of a lot of commentors that I like to read...
I guess I don't get the "cliquishness" thing. It seems to be that it's a whole lot easier to "break in" here than it appears to be there. At least, that was the case when I had more free time and was able to play Urban Dead with the other monkeys. It was a lot of fun, and people were very welcoming.
The thing about being ignored comes with the medium. There are plenty of posts that make me smile and laugh all the time but I'd feel awkward putting LOLs for every one of them. Same goes for thoughtful comments and interesting opinions. So for all lurkers out there: IT'S NOT YOU, IT'S ME.
...on second thought maybe it would be a good idea for older monkeys to reach out and stroke the fur of a new monkey every once in a while.
I haven't said anything in this thread.
It's ok, I said it for you - with pictures.
...on second thought maybe it would be a good idea for older monkeys to reach out and stroke the fur of a new monkey every once in a while.
but bad-mouthing them makes us look like also-ran wannabeMefilterites.
Not to disrespect tracicle or MoFi, but I believe that the closed sign-ups at MeFi was the stated reason for MoFi's creation. It was certainly the reason for the how many came to MoFi and became members. Before MeFi opened up registration, I was a "wannabeMefilterite".
I don't think MoFi has to be a duplicate of MeFi and can have its own personality, but the whole fact that we care about a mention on Metafilter (and make a retailiatory post shortly after) shows that there still is some sort of link between the two, and perhaps some sort of inferiority complex about the subject.
I just don't know why MoFites should care - other than the fact that self-examination is often a good thing if one desires self-improvment.
OK. As long as we don't descend into the Abysss of Squee, I'm willing.
Hi, Scartol, you seldom post in the threads I do, but I certainly know who ye are.
loquacious: beware the banana split!
How could one say anything but welcome to darling, a name forever associated in my mind with Wendy, John, and Micheal Darling of Peter Pan fame.
While on these less-frequently-visible names, I've mentally translated TheophileEscargot's name as: Snail, for the love of god! ;]
Out of curiosity, why Kro-bar instead of Crowbar?
Mitheral, I try to.
maryh, good to see ye around the place again. Don't stay away so long next time! I missed ye.
Re cliquetty-claques:
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
Clique \Clique\, n. [F., fr. OF. cliquer to click. See Click,
v. i.]
A narrow circle of persons associated by common interests or
for the accomplishment of a common purpose; -- generally used
in a bad sense.
Clique \Clique\, v. i.
To To associate together in a clannish way; to act with
others secretly to gain a desired end; to plot; -- used with
together.
Well, I'm clannish and proud of it. But this secrecy and plotting nonsense doesn't seem to apply.
I know that we have several "unlurk!" type introduction threads, but maybe we oughta do a new front page one every month or so? Just a regular occurring open thread for newbies to introduce themselves.
I like pirates. When I was a kid I had a big hardcover book about pirates, with lots of pictures & stuff, & old woodcuts. It was grate.
I like pie.
When I read that metafilter "opened registration" I went and looked. apparently people have a different definition of "open" than I. I didn't pay for my friends in college, and I'm not about to start paying for posting privileges on some website. $5 doesn't equal open in my book.
Every time I go to metafilter and read the comments all I see are a bunch of asses arguing about if something is a "good" or "appropriate" front page post. Screw that.
However, I am sick of several of the stupid jokes here. But guess what? I just ignore that crap. Problem solved.
Personally, I rarely go to Metafilter any more. I am sick of the "OMG teh war is the suxorz!" and "OMG teh government is the suxorz!" and "OMG this horrible depressing thing is horrible and depressing!!!" Ummmm... yeah, we knew that already.
Mmmm. Pie.
But teh war is the suxorz, jc. When will you open your eyes?
I AM RISING ABOVE ALL THIS
WATCH ME RISE
I like fark. Who here likes fark?
Hey look! Tracicle wants to Fark!!!!
I am in SO much trouble...
Their post is only at 71 comments, ours is at 112 comments. It would seem that we're more interested in whatever happened to us than they are.
LOOK! FLASHBOY IS ABOVE ALL THIS!
TRY NOT TO STAND DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE FLOATING FLASHBOY.
For God's sake, man! Wear underpants next time!
Nick, that is because we are BETTER tahn those metafilterian luzerz!!!!!
Their post is only at 71 comments, ours is at 112 comments.
I'm perfectly capable of single-handedly correcting that error, but I'd like to think that we prefer quality over quantity.
I really would like to be able to think that. But I haven't had any mushrooms in years.
Ack! I just realized I increased the post count of this thread! Ack! AcK!
ACK! SHIT! I did it again!!!
loquacious has posted 0 links and 27 comments on MonkeyFilter since June 21, 2004.
It's about time you start living up to that name, young... person.
Name: jason
Man. That's it. Young man.
The few times I have read MeFi politics I noticed there were a lot of Republican types there.
Hey. Hi. It's been a while.
Can I pretend to be in your clique for a while?
*drying a beer glass* What's shakin', Mr. Doohickie?
Heheheh.
Oh, nuthin...
(*tries to think of something intelligent and witty to say; head asplodes*)
*tries to think of something intelligent and witty to say;
Hey, I thought you wanted to be in our clique! None of that intelligencifying and wittinating around here. Just pick a catch phrase and stick with it.
For God's sake, man! Wear underpants next time!
Nobody would ever have said that back in the Good Old Days.
Okay, Nick. Can my catch phrase be "head asplodes"? Because you didn't even quote it.
Hmmm... No. That one's taken. Let's see what's left...
/flip flip flip
Ah, here's one you'll like: "Slim Fuckin' Jims! Fuckin' Slim Jims!"
Yes, give that one a try, I think you'll find it most enjoyable!
Can my catch phrase be "head asplodes"?
Only if you spell it with 3 esses.
Narcissistfilter. We monkeys seem to love no threads more than the ones in which we are discussing ourselves. Don't make me cite examples, you know EXACTLY what I am talking about.
Road-Song of the Bandar-Log
Here we go in a flung festoon,
Half-way up to the jealous moon!
Don’t you envy our pranceful bands?
Don’t you wish you had extra hands?
Wouldn’t you like if your tails were — so —
Curved in the shape of a Cupid’s bow?
Now you’re angry, but—never mind,
Brother, thy tail hangs down behind!
Here we sit in a branchy row,
Thinking of beautiful things we know;
Dreaming of deeds that we mean to do,
All complete, in a minute or two —
Something noble and grand and good,
Won by merely wishing we could.
Now we’re going to — never mind,
Brother, thy tail hangs down behind!
All the talk we ever have heard
Uttered by bat or beast or bird
Hide or fin or scale or feather
Jabber it quickly and all together!
Excellent! Wonderful! Once again!
Now we are talking just like men.
Let’s pretend we are . . . Never mind!
Brother, thy tail hangs down behind!
This is the way of the Monkey-kind!
Then join our leaping lines that scumfish through the pines,
That rocket by where, light and high, the wild-grape swings.
By the rubbish in our wake, and the noble noise we make,
Be sure — be sure, we’re going to do some splendid things!
-- Rudyard Kipling
I see something wonderful starting to happen.
My new catch phrase:
"We're all out of toner"
"In the end I would trade my humanity for some cheesy fries."
"Beetroot buttie?"
It bothers me when people bad mouth mefi, because it reflects badly on mofi.
bad-mouthing them makes us look like also-ran wannabeMefilterites.
Bullshit. I watch all kinds of people badmouth all kinds of websites, yet the only time the wannabe accusation is ever hurled is when someone criticizes MeFi. If you think this logic is valid then you must think LGFers really want to be MeFites. Or that Mac users must really want a PC whenever they badmouth Microsoft.
I believe that the closed sign-ups at MeFi was the stated reason for MoFi's creation.
Well, if that's how MoFi started, then that all it can ever be! Hey, did you know fark.com only has a picture of a squirrel? That's the only thing there!
...the whole fact that we care about a mention on Metafilter (and make a retailiatory post shortly after) shows that there still is some sort of link between the two, and perhaps some sort of inferiority complex about the subject.
Bullshit. When MeFi gets mentions mentioned in some article and they MeTa post the article, does that mean there is some special link between MeFi and the magazine, and that MeFites feel inferior to magazine readers? This is the exact same faulty logic you are using.
"Bullshit. I watch all kinds of people badmouth all kinds of websites, yet the only time the wannabe accusation is ever hurled is when someone criticizes MeFi."
Well, Mr. K, I'm not sure I've seen any of us lauding MetaFilter. If we did that I might agree with your "logic."
"Well, if that's how MoFi started, then that all it can ever be!"
How you got there from the fact that we were originally a site of MoFi wannabees is a bit difficult to understand. We've since acknowleged over and over that we are what we are now, not w3hat we were then.
"Bullshit. When MeFi gets mentions mentioned in some article and they MeTa post the article, does that mean there is some special link between MeFi and the magazine, and that MeFites feel inferior to magazine readers? This is the exact same faulty logic you are using."
The fact is that they didn't evolve from the publisher of the article, and can discuss it as "Metafilter Related" as an article. When we discuss MeFi posting that mention MoFi, we tend to say "they" did such and such, rather what than some member or members did. We're addressing comments, not an "article," and, yet, we tend to attribute the opinion of some to all. Go back and read the (really few) criticisms of MeFi in this thread. The "fewness" made them stand out in my mind. It surprised me that we still cared enough to send the even a low level of the very "best."
Well, Mr. K, I'm not sure I've seen any of us lauding MetaFilter.
Well, I *like* MetaFilter. Especially chocolate MetaFilter.
*head asssplodes*
Waste of good chocolate!
You know, I think 3 esses is too many.
*head asplodes*
*with one ess*
*head asplodes*
*with one ess*
That's two!
It bothers me when people bad mouth mefi, because it reflects badly on mofi.
mefi mofi fefi fofi, fark bark ride the ark. kuro5hin uber alles!
Well, Mr. K, I'm not sure I've seen any of us lauding MetaFilter. If we did that I might agree with your "logic."
It's your logic, and what does lauding have to do with anything? You are making the absurd claim that when someone badmouths MeFi, it's because they are wannabes. This is your logic, not mine. Yet even you can see how absurd it is when your EXACT SAME logic is used to make claims like "Mac users are really want PCs because they badmouth PCs all the time."
Go back and read the (really few) criticisms of MeFi in this thread. The "fewness" made them stand out in my mind. It surprised me that we still cared enough to send the even a low level of the very "best."
And it surprises me the insistence that those few aren't allowed to have those opinions without being "wannabes". Did you know that every time a Canadian criticizes Bush, it's because they're all wannabe Americans?
Is that your new catchphrase?
Monkeyfilter could go out of its way to make a point by implementing multi-threading in the comment pages. Not that we should.
And Mofi still lives in tab #3 on my Firefox tab bar, where Mefi is #4, Boing Boing #5, and Fark #9.
And yes, I open 12 tabs as a default every time I start up. This could explain why I don't comment very often.
Let it go, knick. You're causing contention where there really isn't much otherwise.
In Mr. Knickerbocker's defense, Hawthorne, the phrasing of the original post on MetaTalk, regardless of intent, does sound awful dismissive. Think of the "where are they now" scene in Spinal Tap, or imagine Reagan asking "whatever happened to Walter Mondale?"
In Mr. Knickerbocker's defense
Should that be with no esses?
So, do those who hold both MoFi and MeFi citizenship constitute a double-clique?
Ow! The pun! It hurts! It hurts!
*head asplodez*
*With one ess. This time. For real.*
What about me, islander? I go all three ways- MeFi, MeChan and MoFi.
And as of tonight, I'm going to participate all of them equally until my head asplodez. With one ess.
MeCha
with no en.
OMG! TREBLECLIQUER!!
so.... does that mean I'm in?
does that mean I'm in?
es! es! oh, es!
He has a penchant for MenChant.
(With two Ns.)
did someone say es?
Hey hey! I've been in Reno for six weeks! Did I miss anythi--
You damned cliquey monkeys keep messing with my The Clapper. It's so confused! IT DUDDN'T UNNERSTAN!
Rufflebutt panties.
That is all.
*claps hands*
*watches nunia's lights go on and out*
*giggles*
You know what I just realized I like about MoFi? It's like a regular conversation, with a room full of interesting people. Sure, the topics might get derailed, as they do in real face-to-face discussions, but even the derails are interesting.
Also, yes, the same handful of people may comment more often, but you never know which seldom-seen monkey is going to burst in with a great perspective.
All I have to say is that their Kiwi thread nearly made me give them $5 just to tell them that they're a bunch of heartless assholes. It's definitely a lot more relaxed here.
Amazing how all these MeFi MoFi fights always leave out Madame Martin...
I really should join up one day. But they'd see my French as being as pitiful as my Englis.
"they're a bunch of heartless assholes."
Just wanted that to have that stated again.
Nothing quite like a generalisation.
They're always good for a laugh.
Now someone say hi, damn it, or I'm taking my toys and going home.
MonkeyFilter: they're a bunch of heartless assholes
Oh wait, that didn't come out right ...
Hi, damn it.
Hi hillbillyswamp! A-hyuk hyuk hyuk!
Hi, damn it, or I'm taking my toys and going home.
Was that right?
Hi hillbillyswamp. tracicraken, stop being such a baby! stay here and get those toys out!
*chucks toys back in cot*
*dodges flying Six Million Dollar Man action figure*
hey! SMDM reference! I was just discussing Steve Austin the other day :)
She's breaking up, she's breaking up, you know.
Could we steer this back to serious conversation please? Fucking clowning cliquesters.
Oh, wait. I meant: [pick your favorite in-joke].
I noticed there's nothing in here regarding the internet community...
Maybe it's time to create a web-based set of etiquette rules...
Thou shalt not gratuitously wank thine site?
I find that statement strangely erotic.
No disrespect intended, but jonmc in MetaTalk:
I went to MoFi once, vanity-searched myself and found that a few people there hate me with the passion of a thousand suns, and I have better things to do with my time than deal with that.
Am I alone in really, really doubting that?
This whole discussion sounds like a bunch of sock puppets bickering with each other.
Yes, just watch:
I hate jonmc with the passion of one thousand suns.
Time travel machine on, and...
proof positive
Well, maybe just a coupla hunnerd suns.
Guess what jonmc - I'VE NEVER FUCKING HEARD OF YOU.
Now go and have a wank and calm down.
I've never heard of jonmc, either. Should I have?
*goes off to vanity-search himself on their block*
All joking aside, why would you vanity search yourself and then claim to have better things to do with your time than "deal with all that?" How humble!
C'mon, let's get spiteful, people!
I think of jonmc as the Legs McNeil of MeFi. (Whether or not that has any basis whatsoever in reality. Such are onlinities.) I find it hard to believe someone would be all upset about him in the archives, although it's possible.
Perhaps "jonmc" is a sockpuppet of MayorCurley. Whom we had a teasing affection for down here in the minors. Curse his black heart!
And just because I have a quality line of apples and an upscale boutique named for a food group doesn't mean you should hassle me on teh Internets baby! Now let's stop all this a-fussin' and a-fightin' and get down to some lovin'!
If you look at the link I posted above, pete, there are about 7 references to jonmc. This thread is already closing in on that number. This is the most disparaging I could find, it has all the passion of one thousand suns.
But if you're trying to tell me that he hates hippies and is the attention whore that rogerd makes him out to be, it's going to be more difficult to dislike him so passionately. I'll have to sizzle out a couple of those wildly emoting, raisin-scooping suns.
I don't know who jonmc is either. I don't care a row of buttons about Metafilter or what they think of us, and I don't see why MoFi should continue to be seen as a little sibling/male angler fish type thing attached to it.
OK, MoFi started because of MeFi, but I reckon we have enough Liberty Bells now. Let's hold the Boston Banana Party!
OK, OK.
People! Hands up who likes pie!
Ach, enough already with your Mefi!
Two monks were traveling together in the rainy season. They came to a small creek, overflowing with heavy rains. There they saw a lovely young girl in a silk kimono, unable to cross. One of the monks offered to carry her across on his shoulder, and did so. The monks walked on silently for a long time, until the other monk could not restrain himself and said, "We have precepts about not touching a woman. How could you so blatantly carry that girl on your shoulders?" The first monk replied, "Oh! I put that girl down a long time ago. Why are you still carrying her around?"
\._./
pie!
Am I alone in really, really doubting that?
monkeyhaus, perhaps this remark sufficed?
Seems to me, we monkeys have reason to hate only one MeFite, and that would be the dark one, the bringer of destruction, the lampooner of Corey Feldman, AngryModem.
Y'know I interpret those as reactions to MeFi "culture" in general, and less about an online personality in specific.
Y'know who I hate over there tho? That crunching five Zombie fish guy. What a self-satisfied ass!
err, what Nickdanger said instead.
Beeswacky: You misunderstand me. I meant that I seriously doubt that he had better things to do with his time. If you're googling yourself on message boards, you're pretty much in for a penny on the quiet Friday night in.
Sorry I misunderstood ye, Monkey Haus.
Just Googled to find out what a message board was - d'oh! Hadn't run into that term before, or if I did, it didn't sink in.
\._./
Uniboob!
Just for the record, in case any of you guys feel the need to come back a year or so from now and search, I hate each and every one of you with the white-hot intensity of 223,435,432,439 suns. And one really hot cup of cocoa you have to blow on before you drink it or it scalds your tongue and then you can't even taste the rest of the cup of cocoa because your tastebuds are all scalded.
That is all.
I think our work here is done. Cheers, MeFites and Monkeys and godspeed.
Heehee, he said "Cheers!" The thread has come full circle!
(^_^)/ PIE!
MonkeyMeta MonkeyFilter: "insurmountable inferiority complex"
MonkeyFilter: I just ignore that crap. Problem solved.
MonkeyFilter: None of that intelligencifying and wittinating around here. Just pick a catch phrase and stick with it.
I wasn't going to dignify this navel-gaze with a comment.
But then! I realized there were taglines to be gleaned.
Can't resist those taglines.
*notices there are no comments on MetaFilter about our taglines
Damn!!
MonkeyFilter: There are no comments on MetaFilter about our taglines.
Oh, my fault, I'm sure, Beeswacky. I should have been clearer.
See how nice Monkeyfilter is?
It's actually a bit of a worry, though. I mean, if he's calibrated to think that this constitutes hating him with the power of a thousand burning suns, what's going to happen in he, you know, spills somebody's wife or sleeps with their pint or something?
Meh. It's just attention whoring, ignoring it makes it go away usually. YMMV.
Once you're done having a go at it, of course...
Nicely tagged HWingo!
Hi GramMa! Where you been at lately?
MonkeyHaus & Beeswacky! what is wrong with you two?? you had a golden opportunity to allow a simple misunderstanding to turn into a flaming trainwreck of epic proportions but NOOOOOOOO, you had to be "nice" and "rational" and "adult-like". monkeys!
/exasperated huff :D
Medusa! Chill out. Here, have some pie.
Mmmmmm, pie.
Still have not learnt HTML... ;)
Moran!!11!!
PA, thanks for the pie! It's delicious. I'd be hppy to help you with that HTML too :D
eek! am I saying "I'd be a hippy? yuk. I'd be hoppy?? I'm not a bunny...oh wait, I think I'd be hAppy oh yes, that was it...
I think you've had enough pie now, Medusa.
Step AWAY from the pie.
I think you've had enough pie now, Medusa.
Step AWAY from the pie.
I heard you the first time, pop.
Nunia, where you been? Out rockin'?
Sorry, Dawg, but I'm super bizzy.
I'll be back after Christmas to kick your ass.
Funny, that's the same thing the Marshall Field's Santa said to me when I was six years old and I asked him for a sled.
MonkeyMetaMonkeyFilter: "insurmountable inferiority complex" MonkeyFilter: I just ignore that crap. Problem solved. MonkeyFilter: None of that intelligencifying and wittinating around here. Just pick a catch phrase and stick with it. I wasn't going to dignify this navel-gaze with a comment. But then! I realized there were taglines to be gleaned. Can't resist those taglines. *notices there are no comments on MetaFilter about our taglines Damn!!