of no fixed subtitle
September 28, 2006
Millionaire Bruce McMahan loved his daughter so much, he married her. You can find documents (such as the results of a DNA test on a vibrator key to the case) and the daughter's videotaped deposition
15 years ago
That's, uh, that's...yeah.
So, Springer for rich people. They are humans too!
Now, the father is an Intercontinental Asshole. No doubt about that. But I have to wonder, what was going on with the daughter, that she could fall prey to this guy? I don't want to blame the victim by any means, but as far as victims of incest go, she's fairly sophisticated, in that she was a fully-grown adult who was raised independent of that Intercontinental Asshole, and she has a PhD in
-- not exactly an irrelevant field to what was going on. Whisky. Tango. Foxtrot.
Is it offensive/obvious/stupid to observe that it seems a high percentage of people who go into psychology (at least in my experience) seem to be a little less-than-balanced themselves? Not making jokes or anything, but some psychologists and psychology students I've known were people from very dysfunctional families with lots of psycho issues of their own, usually who had been the "peacemakers" or "rocks to lean on" in their families. But also had issues of their own to work out--substantial ones, I mean. I'm not sure what the percentage is at large, but it seems like this could be a motivation for getting into the field. Which is just to say that, just because the girl is a PhD in Psych doesn't really preclude anything. Cuz at my college, psych majors were freaks.
So automatically she's a victim, eh? Was that because she is younger, or because she is a girl? If she's grown up independent of her father then why should they have a relationship different than any 65 year old lecherous man and a 30 year old woman? It's not as if DNA screams "danger" when relatives get too close... or did you forget Oedipus? If they had kids, that would be bad. If the daughter grew up close to her father, then this would be bad and probably count as child abuse... but as it is now it's two individuals who apparently love each other (in some truly bizarre way) and decided to get married. They just happen to be genetically linked.
Am I really the first to promulgate the gold digger scenario? I haven't read the article (nor do I intend to) but if the guy's a millionaire...
I'd let him molest me if he'd put me in the will. I wonder if he minds testicles on a lover...
So automatically she's a victim, eh? Was that because she is younger, or because she is a girl?
I make that assumption on the basis that she's the child. An adult child, sure, but the child nevertheless. There are strong archetypes in play here, and it may not be easy for a child to reject the demands of the parent, no matter what ages they may be. But this is just my assumption, and you could be entirely right, six.oh.six. I stand to be corrected on the basis of the fact situation.
Not that I really want to know more about this situation than I already do, frankly...
Gold digger theory: +1
Springer for rich people
Isn't that also called the
I was thinking gold digger myself. Not that it makes him any less of an Intercontinental Asshole®, but his money sure did play a huge part in their relationship.
the ultimate sugar daddy, no?
Not that it makes him any less of an Intercontinental Asshole®
I must have missed the bit about his weak bladder. Or does the latter bit make it a reference to anal leakage?
Banal anal; latter bladder.
If the story had been that Bruce had given his daughter a purity ring when she was 13, and then 22 years later exchanged that for a wedding ring, now that's good darn and creepy!
GITTES I said the truth! EVELYN -- she's my sister -- Gittes slaps her again. EVELYN (continuing) -- she's my daughter. Gittes slaps her again. EVELYN (continuing) -- my sister. He hits her again. EVELYN (continuing) My daughter, my sister -- He belts her finally, knocking her into a cheap Chinese vase which shatters and she collapses on the sofa, sobbing. GITTES I said I want the truth. EVELYN (almost screaming it) She's my sister and my daughter!
is where you come to discuss
Has anyone read
by Karthyn Harrison? If you're wondering how a smart girl ends up sleeping with her father, there's one story for you.
It's more common than you might think for people who are biologically related and re/united as adults to feel sexually attracted to each other.
Ew, etc. But, it happens.
She was thirty years old when she started getting involved with him. She was an active, willing, consenting participant. She was not a victim.
Lord Byron, baby.
it seems like this could be a motivation for getting into the field.
I've heard something like that said, and by counselors and social workers. A lot of people choose their professions based on something that they perceive needs fixing or changing in their own lives -- people who overcome great illness or handicaps to become doctors, for instance. One of my major initial psychological motivations for studying philosophy, now that I think about it, was the epiphany I had as a young man that I was a complete fucking moron -- book-smart, but otherwise didn't have a damn clue. I was naive enough back then to believe that studying philosophy would make me wise. Q.E.D. I personally know a woman who actually stalked my parents for a while, damn near had to be forcibly removed from our house once. Her marriage completely imploded. She's now a counselor.
I think the idea that lots of psychologists get into the field because they have issues they're working or have worked on definitely holds water. That said, the psychologists I know are all exceedingly normal and sane. They have to be; otherwise they wouldn't be worth a damn at therapizing folks.
What I mean is they have to have an understanding of the dysfunctional at the same time as they themselves are highly functional, so they have the ability to lead the dysfunctional back to functionality. Or something.
She already had a trust fund before they started fucking. Just FYI.
Someone once close to me went through the whole meeting biological parents as an adult, and to say that the feelings can be overwhelming (and at times destructive) for some is an understatement. And while, yes, these people are adults, the parent is still the parent in my opinion.
If we're handing out blame, I think he gets the lion's share. She doesn't seem very bright, or very worried about poor Schutt, but Dad's behaviour was atrocious. There are happy, innocuous incestuous relationships, but I think this is something altogether darker and madder. What her biological mother thinks about it all can only be imagined.
Wow. What a twisted story. Initially, I only skimmed through it and missed the entire part about her being adopted. Yikes. I often wonder who/where my biological parents are - but this story almost makes me wonder if it's better left untold.
If the story had been that Bruce had given his daughter a purity ring when she was 13...
I have to admit, I had no idea what a purity ring was. Nevermind this situation -- that's creepy regardless, forcing kids to make long-term commitments when they're 13 and jacked-up out of their minds with crazy hormones and acne fixations. ("Gimmie the damn ring, just shut up about sex, and leave me alone in the bathroom for once...") All that's being accomplished is increasing the guilt and danger when it happens anyway. WTF, Christian Right? WTF.
This guy did it because there is very little he can't do at this point. He has probably engaged in every depraved act known to man, just to "check it out." He got off on fucking his daughter. He would have never been attracted to her if she was some hot 35 year old. No, she had to be his daughter. She did it because he was powerful, at least with throwing his money around, and the gall to hit on his own daughter. What a display of power, "I am going to seduce my daughter." This is the ultimate of arrogance, and she dug it, she dug his ego. Some chicks are just attracted to power, no matter what kind of asshole is behind it. Actually him being an asshole may even make him more attractive to her. They deserve all the shit their family name gets. They are both douche bags.
yes, but are they both Intercontinental Douche Bags®?
On a completely different note, I am going to lurk monkeys today.
120 Days of Glamajamma Seriously, that description is positively Sadean. But less fun, because true. At least with De Sade you knew he was just some crazy old perv scribbling away in the Bastille.
I find this story somehow much grosser due to the fact that they used sex toys together. EW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well, the family that plays together...
okay, i'll leave that one. this story is yucky.
Every sexual innuendo joke that pops into my head is ruined by this circumstance. Can we go back to talking about storm trooper boobs?
"Hey, nice boobs, TK30...MOM?!?!?!?!?!?!"
Medusa, it's not just their story about sex toys. I don't want to hear ANY stories about sex toys. None. Nope, not listening. *puts fingers in ears Lalalalalalalalala
GITTES: I said I want the truth. JESSEP: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that needs its water. And that water has to be brought here by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Gittes? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Evelyn and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Mulray's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me at that reservoir. You need me on that canal. We use words like salinity, odor, clarity...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the shower of the very water I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a shovel and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to! Gittes: Did you order the cold water? Jessep: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do. Gittes: Did you order the cold water? Jessep: You're goddamn right I did!! Bobby: I'd like an omelet, plain, and a chicken salad sandwich on wheat toast, no mayonnaise, no butter, no lettuce. And a cup of coffee.
Springer for rich people. They are humans too!
Rich people are freaker than trailer types, they aren't limited by economics.