July 25, 2005
The Family Guy Movie - Stewie: The Untold Story
won't be out til September 27th, on DVD.
But you can watch it in a few hours, if you have BitTorrent. :)
TorrentSpy link.
The Pirate Bay tracker link.
I would go with TPB because the first one might get taken down. :)
Gentlemen, start your engines.
Um-ah, I'm telling.
I would go with TorrentSpy because it has more seeds!
I want to question this post, for a couple of reasons.
First, I've never thought of MonkeyFilter as a place to get advice on engaging in illegal activities (This is NOT a judgement of the right/wrong of downloading, the illegality of it is a fact, not an opinion). Those that are interested in this can easily get involved in web sites where this information is available.
Second, as someone who has family involved in the production of movies, I really have a moral objection to the "steal it, it doesn't matter" mentality. (this is the judgemental part!)
I would encourage the removal of this post/link, but the decision, obviously, is up to the higher powers here at MoFi...
This is merely my opinion, your mileage may vary on this issue.
I want to question this post, for a couple of reasons.
First, I've never thought of MonkeyFilter as a place to get advice on engaging in illegal activities (This is NOT a judgement of the right/wrong of downloading, the illegality of it is a fact, not an opinion). Those that are interested in this can easily get involved in web sites where this information is available.
Second, as someone who has family involved in the production of movies, I really have a moral objection to the "steal it, it doesn't matter" mentality. (this is the judgemental part!)
I would encourage the removal of this post/link, but the decision, obviously, is up to the higher powers here at MoFi...
This is merely my opinion, your mileage may vary on this issue.
oops on the double post... my apologies....
Normally, I'm all about piracy (arrgh!). But Family Guy is something that deserves our financial support to keep it on the air. Even if the money is going to Fox.
Terrorists hate your pirates!
Aaargh.
Though the post probably doesn't belong here, I disagree with the idea that people who download the movie won't pay to go see it. I bet damn near every person who downloads this will also see it in the theatre, and many will also probably pay for this movie when they go see another.
many will also probably pay for this movie when they go see another
Please explain.
you're so stoopid. It's obvious. He means...er...well...when you go the pictures....um...you'll pay and then....errr...oh.
Please explain
When you like a movie so much that the next time you go the movies, you buy a ticket for the good one instead of the piece of crap that you're about to see next.
??!
Ease off the crack pipe a little, Mr. Knickers!
Multiplex ethics.
Mr. Knickerbocker... the MPAA claims that the cost due to piracy each year is close to 3.5 bn $$'s.. If you do just a little math, and divide that amount by , let's say, $50,000 annual salary/benefits (cheap, actually), that equates to about 70,000 jobs related to the industry that are no longer funded..
Yes, it does make a difference... the claim that people who steal it, also eventually pay for it is unsubstantiated and merely a way to justify theft.
I'm not sure that you would make the same statement if someone was stealing the product/service that your labor produces, even if they promised to eventually come back and make a purchase...
I'm off my soap box (for now!)...
What Mr. Knickerbocker said, [except for the confusing bit]. The same logic applies to mp3s. The purist economic argument is hardly valid now because distribution generates income. A good example could well be that sci-fi pilot that got circulated recently (on the blue). I'm not sure what's happened since but a show destined for the bin maybe has a series life and definitely has a support base - all because an early copy got posted. Sure it's only one example. And that's not to say that I support or condemn these links being shared out. I just don't see the debate as cut and dried as is made out sometimes.
the MPAA claims that the cost due to piracy each year is close to 3.5 bn $$'s
Yeah, they also claim that vcr's strangle people.
I'm not sure that you would make the same statement if someone was stealing the product/service that your labor produces, even if they promised to eventually come back and make a purchase...
Which statement? Your analogy totally loses me here, I can't make it work with anything I've said.
I've got two lots of complimentary tickets to the Odeon in town. Who wants to be my new best friend? Huh? Huh?
the claim that people who steal it, also eventually pay for it is unsubstantiated
Well the claim that a downloaded show represents a lost sale is equally unsubstantiated, so the MPAA can stick that $3.5B fantasy in their pipe and smoke it.
I've got two lots of complimentary tickets to the Odeon in town. Who wants to be my new best friend? Huh? Huh?
Which town?
I thought last year's sales figures showed an *increase* in profits on DVD sales, despite filesharing? As with MP3s, it doesn't make the impact that the marketing companies complain it does. Naturally they aint gonna like it. Too bad! Shitty fuckin' movies and tv for decades means burned out jaded consumers who don't give a duck's nads about their failed business model. That's the way it works, folks.
They said the same thing about cassette tapes, they said the same thing about VCRs. The genie's out of the bottle, Seth McFarlane already has his new contracts for TWO shows, and his advance is in the bank. From what I gather, most who download a torrent will buy the DVD if they like it because it will be better quality and have extras - only a tiny percentage of those who download it will want or know how to burn it to a DVD playable in their machines.
Dunno about anyone else, but I only buy stuff I've seen *already* so that I know it's worth shelling out my cash for, I've been burned so many fucking times. I've bought *more* DVDs & CDs because of filesharing. Without filesharing I would never have seen any episodes of Family Guy, Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law, or Enterprise *at all*, because they either aren't shown here, or because I don't watch network TV. I've bought the DVDs for all the above shows, which I never would have otherwise done. I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one who thinks like this. The quality of such files is rarely equivalent to the DVD versions anyway.
Watching a copy of the movie will not help Seth McFarlane at all. Not watching it will help the MPAA who are artist-screwing capitalist pigs. How many shitty movies have you paid to see in your lives?
I second HuronBob.
Do what you like but don't do it here.
The one on the Mersey, of course.
It's not all London London London, you know.
Are you trying to take me out for dinner and a movie? I'll have you know that I also require dancing, you saucy fellow!
He also requires shagging.
Hey I dunno why I am defending this shit, fuck it.
The big fallacy of the MPAA and RIAA statistics on money "lost" due to piracy is that they assume that everyone who downloaded something would have paid for it in the first place. This is no something that anyone could prove, but I know I have downloaded things that I would never have paid for.
Anyway, If you don't know where to go to download movies illegally, then I don't think this is the place to learn how to do it. I call for deletination...
The ole wine, dine, 69 routine eh?
I've met your sort before.
<Dick Emery voice>You are awful!</Dick Emery voive>
Oh god I wish I could download a girlfriend illegally.
Oh god I wish I could download a girlfriend illegally.
Wasn't there an anime about that?
If not, there will be.
You can download me any time.
*sultry saxophone music*
ooo free ticket...does it include the flight from Tokyo?
Mr. Knickerbocker.. sorry, you're right, I should have said...would you have the same philosophy about theft if the theft was of your own product.
I guess i'm always amazed that it seems to be those that tout the fact they are creative, that they appreciate the arts, that they love films/music that can justify the theft of the product for a number of reasons.....
and...always a little amused by the efforts to make it "right" somehow.....
Seeing those links on this FPP surprised me. I'd have much rather seen a link to the Family Guy's official site or to some other easily findable sites then to see this. Bad judgement Scary Corn Imp IMO, and nuke this FPP is my vote.
I'm with techsmith on this one. I don't think MoFi is a Warez/Moviez site and I'll be outta here if it turns into one.
Wow, I didn't notice earlier that the name in the titlebar was "Family Guy Movie Torrent." It's not like the MPAA will be searching google for that phrase or anything...
So not only do we have the issue of the morality of downloading a film that isn't even out yet, but now we have a serious risk that Monkeyfilter could get in legal trouple. Nice posting there...
HuronBob, I still don't get where you see a philosophy about theft from my statements.
Are you asking "If you were Seth McFarlane, the creator of Family Guy, would you be cool with people downloading your show?"
If that's your question, then the answer is yes, absolutely. I'd be absolutely thrilled that people were downloading it. Matter of fact, I'd leak it myself.
An incautious FPP, at least. But good debate.
Best subplot to a thread in nigh on two months!
I would encourage the removal of this post/link, but the decision, obviously, is up to the higher powers here at MoFi...
Hey, this is a democracy. I need you people to tell me what to do. I have no free will.
Or meritocracy, one or the other, I dunno...
Where does the MoFi cd swap fall on this theft continuum, hmmm?
I would think that the CD swap would fall something closer to fair use (though I know it doesn't fall *exactly* into fair use, it's way closer than this post). Were we trading entire individual CDs (I will trade you the new White Stripes if you give me the new Coldplay, for example), it would be similar to downloading whole movies. I think our CD swaps are less objectionable to (reasonable) music execs because taking individual tracks from different CDs and trading them with friends introduces us to new music and can be thought of as a form of marketing (witness the mixtape phenomenon in hip-hop, which is a recognized, though increasingly (and stupidly) demonized, form of marketing).
I tend to believe that there is no one face to downloading movies/music/whatever. I think that many people will buy the object if they like it enough (especially for movies and other dvds... too many albums only have one or two good songs to really support the album format these days). Some people will buy some stuff and not others, and some people are just out to steal as much as possible. I think the entertainment industry does experience some loss from piracy, but it's not as dire as they'd have us believe. I think that much of this loss is from a) inferior product and b) an old fashioned method of production/distribution.
-- my way too long $0.02
I would think that the CD swap would fall something closer to fair use (though I know it doesn't fall *exactly* into fair use, it's way closer than this post). Were we trading entire individual CDs (I will trade you the new White Stripes if you give me the new Coldplay, for example), it would be similar to downloading whole movies. I think our CD swaps are less objectionable to (reasonable) music execs because taking individual tracks from different CDs and trading them with friends introduces us to new music and can be thought of as a form of marketing (witness the mixtape phenomenon in hip-hop, which is a recognized, though increasingly (and stupidly) demonized, form of marketing).
I tend to believe that there is no one face to downloading movies/music/whatever. I think that many people will buy the object if they like it enough (especially for movies and other dvds... too many albums only have one or two good songs to really support the album format these days). Some people will buy some stuff and not others, and some people are just out to steal as much as possible. I think the entertainment industry does experience some loss from piracy, but it's not as dire as they'd have us believe. I think that much of this loss is from a) inferior product and b) an old fashioned method of production/distribution.
-- my way too long $0.02
4 cents
I have an enormous amount of heroin that I am looking to unload. Can I get an advisory opinion as to whether I should make it an FPP?
I dated a man named Peter Griffin for four years.
I dated a man with a griffin-sized peter for four hours.
I dated a man with a griffin-sized peter for four hours.
surely that would make you the_boned?
Ah, how do you know he wasn't the_bonehead?
"I have an enormous amount of heroin that I am looking to unload..."
That might really be the stupidest knee-jerk analogy anyone ever made, bernockle. Now, really, did anyone ever die from a fucking pirated movie? You should be ashamed of that, personally I think it negates anything you might post as being thoughtful or intuitive in any way. Crass.
In other news, this thread gained MoFi lots of hits.
Yeah, but seriously, about that H...
The CD swaps are not featured on the main page of MoFi for the whole world to see and litigate against. That's the main difference between this posting and the CD swaps.
The CD swaps are not featured on the main page of MoFi for the whole world to see
Weren't these FPP posts? The direct link to the MoFi CD Swap *is* on the FP sidebar for the whole world to see.
Not that I think it makes a difference - what meredithea said above. Honestly, I think this post caught too much flack. Now, if Scary Corn Imp posted numerous FPP such as this, then I think that would be time to raise the red flag - although the reference to t00r3nt was probably not wise. There are other things of greater priority that are fucked up in this world that, IMHO, demand more attention... besides this issue. The consumers will watch their movies one way or another, and the entertainment industry will continue to line their fur pockets. Don't worry my friends, they will continue to make a profit and find ways to doubly increase it as well. That's just my take though - - form your own opinion.
Funny, I saw this another way- I thought maybe the poster worked for Fox.
They have had screenings as far back as July, so the movie is obviously finished, and they aren't too too concerned about no one seeing it before the official release.
So the question is, did it leak accidentally, or, mindful of the huge success of the "Family Guy" DVDs, are they doing a little of that "viral marketing" that the kids seem to like nowadays?
I think our CD swaps are less objectionable to (reasonable) music execs because taking individual tracks from different CDs and trading them with friends introduces us to new music and can be thought of as a form of marketing (witness the mixtape phenomenon in hip-hop, which is a recognized, though increasingly (and stupidly) demonized, form of marketing).
The only question the record execs ask themselves is "can we make a profit by suing this person?" Their bottom line >>> fair use. We don't get sued for the cd swap because there aren't enough people doing it or enough songs changing hands to make it worth the time and money it would take to build a case. You only receive 5 cds in an exchange, so what's that, $60?
All those who are interested in making stupid, knee-jerk analogies are odered to hereby desist. I have apparently made the stupidest of all-time, and I will not relinquish the title.
I am, however, concerned that the cost for such a title (all of my posts may not be allowed to be perceive as thoughtful or intuitive) is more than I bargained for. If I am able, I will renounce my title in so that I can be considered thoughtful and intuitive.
What a thoughtful and intuitive post!
*hands bernockle the remote*
OBEY
I just received a call here in my office from something like the Presidential Small Business Task Force. They informed me that the President had a message for me and asked if I would participate in a poll after hearing the message. I said, "Sure."
So I got a recording of President Bush that went something like this: "Hello, and thank you for taking the time to listen to me. I am trying hard to push the conservative agenda in Washington. Now the issue of taxes has come up, and I need your help to deal with the Death Tax to help farmers and small businesses. I hope I can count on your support. Thank you."
Then the live person came back on the phone, made sure I could hear the President clearly, and then told me that we would start the poll.
Pollster -- "As a small businessman, are you concerned about the amount of tax burden that you have?"
Me -- "No."
Pollster -- (Pause) "Okay. Thank you. Goodbye."
What kind of poll is that? I got the first one wrong so I don't even get to answer the other questions?
I believe it's a push poll. They don't give a fuck about your answers. They want to put ideas in your head. Answering "no" to that first question means that they can't stir up your outrage about the estate tax. If you said yes, there would've been other "questions."
Does the estate tax really effect small businesses all that much, anyway? Seriously, if your net worth is large enough to qualify for the estate tax when you die, is it really a "small" business?
Part of me thinks that I should have given false answers to find out as much about it as I could.
The other part of me thought that I should have put the call on speaker phone and added periodice "Uh-huhs" while Bush was talking so that eavesdroppers might believe that I was talking to the President.
My limited understanding of the estate tax is that if you die with under a million dollars in the bank, then it does not apply.
I will never die with that much money in the bank for several reasons:
1. I don't have a million dollars.
2. If I ever have a million dollars and I know I am going to dies, then I am going to spend wildly in the days before I die.
3. If I ever have a million dollars and I die unexpectedly, I will have an arrangement whereby some woman will be paid to engage in necrophilia with me until I run out of money. I have not seen any conclusive evidence to suggest that dead people can't feel sex.
2. If I ever have a million dollars and I know I am going to dies,
hate to break it to you, but it's as certain as taxes. don't bother saving the million, just spend it as it comes in.
So are inheritances taxed in the US, or not?
I believe that there are more people alive on earth right now (6-8 billion) than have ever lived on the earth in the history of the earth combined. Therefore, over fifty percent of the humans ever born have never died. Therefore, my chances of dying are less than fifty percent.
IRS info on Estate Tax
It seems that a person's estate is taxed upon that person's death if the estate exceeds one million dollars. This would seem to affect two percent of the population.
so that eavesdroppers might believe that I was talking to the President.
Oh man, that's funny!!
I believe that there are more people alive on earth right now (6-8 billion) than have ever lived on the earth in the history of the earth combined.
It's a whole lot more than that.
Cool article, t_b. But I had thought people (or homo sapiens, at least) were estimated as evolving 150,000 years ago?
The estate tax exemption started at a million, but has increased since then, and will continue to do so for several years. Nice for me and my siblings, since my depression-era parents worked hard to build an estate from next to nothing. Their kids have also worked hard, but weren't as wise.
I wish somebody would just hand me a million dollars, tax free.
Done. Enjoy!
When I read the phrase "small businessman", all I could think of was a dwarf in a suit.
I gotta get me one of those.
*ducks*
Does the estate tax really effect small businesses all that much, anyway? Seriously, if your net worth is large enough to qualify for the estate tax when you die, is it really a "small" business?
No.
It seems that a person's estate is taxed upon that person's death if the estate exceeds one million dollars.
Not only that, but you only pay tax on the amount that exceeds $1M (or whatever it is now, it's increased as path said).
Money gets taxed when it changes hands. My employer pays me, take out income tax. I buy a car, take out sales tax, take out corporate income tax. Ford pays CEO, take out income tax again. CEO kicks off, leaves money to son, take out estate tax. The money's been taxed countless times before then, now all of a sudden it's being taxed twice?? Fucking stupid, delibrately deceptive statements designed to mislead the public into supporting a policy that benefits the hugely wealthy. The wealthiest 2% are subject to the estate tax, and since this includes people who have just barely over $1M, far less than 1% pay any significant amount.
Anyway, the movie started slow, but had plenty of funny moments. Put it in, take it out, put it in, take it out, put it in, take it out....
smallish bear give a pretty good description of how money is taxed there.
It should lead to obvious conclusion: The Government is able to tax money when it changes hands. Therefore, the government will be collecting more revenue the more frequently money changes hands. Rich people are more likely to sit on their money or make some investments. There are very few transactions that are going to be done with large sums of money. Poor people are exchanging their income on a daily basis. Things like clothing, food, shelter, and recreation are things that people buy more than once a week. To me, it follows that the more money poor people have, the more tax revenue the government can collect. The more money rich people have, the less tax revenue the government can collect. Therefore, it is in the best interests of the economic health of the government to try to put more money in the hands of poor people and less in the hands of rich people.
Or maybe I don't really understand it all.
you misspelled "Gub'ment"
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