December 26, 2004

• Only one option. Honesty.
• Be open and honest. Your friendship may not go back to the way it was immediately, but with time, understanding and a bit of distance things should work out fine.
• What they said. Be as honest as you'd want the other party to be if the situation was reversed; they may even be having similar thoughts, who knows? And don't expect the friendship to go back to 'normal' right away. Time and space will help if anything will. In the end, whether to take you up on your offer of continued friendship is their call. I hope it does eventually work out as you wish. Best of luck with it.
• My suggestion is to run away. All Spider-Man's trouble would have been avoided, had Spidey only had moved to a different city.
• Put the brakes on right now. Waiting will only make it worse. You've already made your decision and leading this person on would be worse than up front honesty. I'm curious as to what it was you didn't realize about this person before now, given the intimacy. Was it something you knew was there but didn't realize would matter as much as it does to you now? Is it something that might have to do with how this person will react to your wanting to quash the romance?
• All Spider-Man's trouble would have been avoided, had Spidey only had moved to a different city. This comment reveals your complete incomprehension of the Clone Saga.
• mandyman - Without going into too many details, I think that the issue is twofold. I loved the youthful attitude this person displayed with regard to many things, but erroneously assumed there was something more substantial happening below the surface. It's quite possible, even probable that *I* am completely responsible for this because I *wanted* there to be and ignored any signs that may have been present. I'm feeling quite like a clod.
• You need to be upfront about the change in how you feel, and you will probably not have the friendship, at least for a while. Why? Because you have just yanked someone's chain, and she has every right to be pissed. Don't expect friendship. Give her some dignity, leave her alone, and she'll resume the friendship if and when she wants to. Otherwise, going on about the wanting to still be friends can be seen as patronizing and, literally, insult to injury. You fucked up. Things have changed. Expecting her friendship is a bit much.
• Who has a kid? (It does make a difference)
• The child belongs to the other person.
• Make sure you dont refer to the kid at all during the break up. What monyjane said about the friendship. You can't unring a bell. You won't be able to go back to the old friendship. Maybe you be able to start a new friendship with her, but it won't be immediately that you can start on it. There's things that you know about eachother that , as you said, you didn't know then. That knowledge will always have some effect on your interactions with eachother.
• I've been in this situation and the relationship did a spectacular job of ending miserably. However, a couple years down the line we were able to be pretty good friends again. In some ways even closer friends than before, but there is still a bit of tension that makes get things awkward. You aren't going to be friends again any time soon, but end things soon, end them without being an ass and maybe, especially if you keep in touch with you mutual acquaintances, she will want to revive the friendship some years down the line.
• With Spidey's great powers comes the great responsibility of living in New York.
• Details, gimmee details! Though I think it's odd that you saying the other person isn't emotionally mature but has a six-year old child. Maybe YOU aren't emotionally mature to handle the other person, especially considering you're trying to break up with them while keeping their friendship? AND you want to break up with them WITHOUT talking about what you're thinking/feeling?! WTF?!! At least respect the other person enough to express your feelings, rather than making unilateral decisions. Talk about emotionally immature. and what is this, Dear Abby? sheesh....
• Maybe YOU aren't emotionally mature to handle the other person, especially considering you're trying to break up with them while keeping their friendship? Bingo.
• I get the feeling from your story that perhaps you don't fully understand your own feelings in this situation. You should absolutely be honest with your partner about what is going on in your head, but you owe yourself an honest analysis of how you ended up in this place, too. What happened in the space of a week that changed your view of this person so dramatically? Did something specific happen between you and your partner that turned you off? Are you suffering from cold feet? Did you not have a good sense before now of how the person would fit as a romantic partner for you? Understanding why you so quickly changed your mind about this person will help you avoid making the same mistake again in the future.
• Great pile-on monkeys (moneyjane and Brandon). I take responsibility for my part in this. Seeing as how you don't know me or my romantic partner, you're awfully quick to judge. Rhiannon, there has been nothing specific that has happened and I have been analyzing what is going on with me to figure out why I feel this way. I thought we'd be great together, shared many interests, found each other engaging, got along well with the child, etc., but there is nothing deeper there between us. I think it's entirely possible we got stuck in "the friend zone". I just don't know.
• Anonymouse- I had posted a more understand reply to your pile on comment and then I said "screw it" and deleted it. Why? Because you're acting like an immature asshole. Not only are you being selfish and self centered in regards to another person, after you've been intimate, but NOW, after posting to a public forum, you're bitching about people judging you. This is something my thirteen year old might try, hopefully not an adult. If you want advice, tell the whole damn story and quit trying to frame the story for your benefit. Otherwise, stop replying to posts on this thread from complete strangers and GO TALK TO THE OTHER PERSON!!!! Jesus, you might be letting the greatest relationship in your life get away!!! communication is key to any relationship, however hard it may be at times.
• If you only wanted to be told that everything was jolly, and that bluebirds of joy were going to fly out your ass, then don't ask; Is there any hope? Suggestions? Help? And..."Without going into too many details" kinda makes "Seeing as how you don't know me or my romantic partner, you're awfully quick to judge." inevitable, don't you think? What do you want? Advice? Or a warm fuzzy pat on the ego?
• What is this deeper thing you are looking for a week after dating? I guess that's the part I don't get. You've been friends with this person for a while and are now surprised by this person's lack of depth/maturity after dating for a week or so? I don't want to beat you up, but you're asking for advice without giving a lot of information. We can all make guesses here. Like, is there someone else you've become interested in? Are your romances usually stormy while this one is calm?
• Dear Aunt Monkeyfilter; The sex was really bad. How do I dump the other person? Anon One ticket to hell please
• mandyman, you're not beating me up, your questions are all fair. There isn't anyone else. I too crafted a lengthy response, but it's clear this question was a bad idea. Thanks to those of you who chimed in with thoughts and suggestions. So much for less flinging.
• I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but wasn't this account used a while ago (like 6 months ago) to ask another anonymous relationship advice question, with similar reticence on the details? But yeah, what everyone else already said. I mean, if it really is what Argh suggested, and was actually about bad sex, that would at least be understandable... if you were just honest about it to begin with.
• Remind me never to ask for relationship advice on Monkeyfilter. Good luck, Anonymouse.
• People are complicated. What surprises me is that anyone expects anonymous strangers on the Internets to solve their lifelong relationship puzzles.
• From what you've said, anonymouse, the general advice you've been given here is sound. I don't think you could expect much more. Good luck with your troubles. I hope it works out for the best all round.
• I think Brandon's and moneyjane's comments were a bit over the top. Someone asks for advice and you call them an asshole? That's a bit harsh.
• I didn't call anyone an asshole; I told Anonymouse he fucked up. Whether you mean to screw someone over or not, when you've done someone damage, you step up and deal with it in a way that affords the most dignity to the person you've wronged rather than looking for a way to salvage the bits you like. Nobody seemed to want to point out to this guy that, essentially, he was asking us how to have his cake, and eat it too. I'm not going to give this person validation - and that's what he was asking for, not advice.
• This is now verging on more than a little unfair. C'mon, now. He was attracted to her. She was attracted to him. After much trepidation and false starts they tried a relationship. He discovers that the relationship does not work for him. I do not understand why this makes him an immature asshole, brandon. If he wanted to be an immature asshole he wouldn't give two shits about the way she feels, and to my reading it's obvious this is not the case. MJ, you seem to equate "discovering the relationship isn't what he thought it would be" with "screwing her over", equating "discovering the relationship isn't quite right" as "yanking her chain." I must strenuously object. Should one never make the leap at love, never attempt? What would you have him do? Remain in the relationship and sacrifice his own happiness for the sake of hers? You seem to be assuming that he put the moves on her, seducing her into something she didn't want and wasn't prepared for. There is nothing there which makes this likely (they had discussed a relationship previously, etc). "Yanking her chain" would be appripriate if he had no intention of creating a relationship. Saying he wants validation and not advice would be appropriate if he had displayed a lack of remorse. To me your comments smack of male-bashing. Which is hard to write, as I enjoy your posts immensely. But I gotta call it like I see it. It's only natural to, as stated above, want to "have his cake, and eat it too." But put that way makes it sound as if he set out to fuck-'er-and-forget-'er which is, again, obviously not the case. I can see nothing wrong with a desire to keep a person as a friend after they've made a mistake such as this one; if he didn't, that would be grounds for calling him an asshole. But just because someone hasn't learned this particular lesson yet is no reason to exhibit the meanness implicit in a some of these comments. AMouse, I am sorry things didn't work out. Tell her things are not what you thot they'd be, that you are not the man for her, and you hope that time heals both your wounds (i.e., find a way to say "I hope we can still be friends" without saying those actual words, which will cause certain mental switches to flip into "this guy's a jerk" mode regardless of whether the intent was good). It's possible that your friendship will come thru alright... but highly unlikely. And realize that you'll never be able to dip your quill in that inkwell ever again, and remain the non-asshole I believe you to be. Probably unnecessary but hey, better safe than sorry
• Anon, have you talked to her yet? If not, then why not? Waraw- I called him an asshole because he hasn't shown that he give's two shits about her i.e. "how can I keep their friendship" There was not a single question about the other person's feelings or that of the child involved. Also, he's not giving details about the other person other than to indirectly say "I'm more mature than her" (do we know it's a guy posting and that it's a woman he's talking about?), despite the fact that the other person has a six year child, which often (but not always) 'causes a lot emotional maturity to occur. Finally, when called on being an asshole, he acts like a hurt child and runs away, refusing to tell the full story because two people had the nerve to give his crap about his attitude, decisions and line of thought. If he's not an asshole for only thinking of himself, as witnessed in his own writings, then he can feel free to explain himself and I'll cheerfully apologize. Bet he won't though and that there will be comments along of the lines of "he doesn't have to explain himself to YOU". Well, no he doesn't, but if he's asking for advice, shouldn't he tell the whole story? What's he hiding and why? Don't go looking for advice on the internet and expect "ice cream and roses". If Anon isn't at least willing to consider MaryJane's or my comments then he's an asshole of the highest order. By the way Anon, have you talked to her yet? If not, then why not?
• Can we clarify genders here? Anon hasn't corrected the basic assumptions. And I must admit that I'm curious at this point.
• I guess what I don't understand is deciding after such a very short time that it should be over and it was a mistake. It doesn't feel to me like giving it a chance. Not trying to snark here, just don't understand it. I've had a relationship or two that developed out of a friendship. My discovery was that even with a long-standing friendship, there's a settling-in period after it becomes more intimate. Both sides usually have at least some worry that what they're doing could wind up destroying a friendship that has been enjoyed for some time. And people who are stressed and worried, even if they're not openly expressing those feelings, will show some degree of behavioural changes. They can seem shallow, or silly, or, well, pretty much anything, and sometimes it's something that might seem cute and sometimes it's something that might seem negative. My rule of thumb has always been to give it one or two months to get past the nerves of taking it to the next level. If the problems are still there at that point, then I'll accept that they are what they are and it's probably better all around if both parties are free to find someone with whom they are more compatible. If that's not an option you're willing to consider, talk openly and honestly about it, and do it very soon. As has been said several times, don't expect to have that friendship back immediately. It takes time to heal. You have to know that it's also possible that the friendship will be gone for good. You rolled the dice, and that's the chance you took when you did so. If that's the way it goes, take your lumps and learn from them.
• This all sounds like an emotional troll, to me. I first read it yesterday and wondered. I came back to see more today, and it really does confirm my suspicions, IMHO.
• Brandon: It sounds to me that your biggest problem with Anonymouse is that he (A-mouse: apologies if we all have the genders wrong) hasn't given you all the details. I'm curious what else you're looking for and why you want it? Maybe you've been hurt by a similar situation by someone more selfish, and if so, don't take it out on Anonymouse. Moneyjane - that goes for you too. Go back and re-read the original post. There's nothing asshole-ish about it. Anonymouse shows genuine concern for all parties involved. It's not selfish to want to retain the friendship. I've been in an almost identical situation, and I can relate, although I didn't give advice because my situation was unique and I wouldn't want to steer A-mouse the wrong way. I'm really disappointed by what this thread has turned into. Someone who is confused, blaming themselves, and feeling like a jerk about it asks for advice (not validation), and gets shit on and called names. Not exactly one of our finest moments.
• rocket88- Go re-read my posts. There's a list of reasons why I called him asshole. I'm asking for details because it gives a deeper understanding of the story AND a deeper understanding of the person telling the story. Particularly with relationship stories, I've found that a lot can hinge on the small details that a person leaves out, be it intential or otherwise. Also, not only have I been in this situaiton, but I've been in it from both sides. Frankly, the whole "can we still be friends" line is self centered crap. Leave the door open, sure, but realize that you just hurt someone and respect their feeling of primodorial rage :) Let it go and quite hurting the person by trying to be friends. It time, they might get over and a different relationship might form, but if you don't want them, LET THEM GO and quit trying to pick and chose what pieces of person you want.
• MJ, you seem to equate "discovering the relationship isn't what he thought it would be" with "screwing her over", equating "discovering the relationship isn't quite right" as "yanking her chain." Whether or not you or I think that's what it is, I'm betting that's what she'll think. That's why I think he needs to think more about her, and less about himself. I must strenuously object. Should one never make the leap at love, never attempt? What would you have him do? Remain in the relationship and sacrifice his own happiness for the sake of hers? Hardly. But be an adult when dealing with other adults, particularily with a child involved. "You seem to be assuming that he put the moves on her, seducing her into something she didn't want and wasn't prepared for. There is nothing there which makes this likely (they had discussed a relationship previously, etc). Not at all. That's an assumption on your part. "Yanking her chain" would be appripriate if he had no intention of creating a relationship. This guy's backpedalling like a reverse Tour de France after a week. If I was in her situation, I would call that chain-yanking, especially after how well-thought out this situation was supposed to have been. I was giving this person advice based on how the woman might perceive what he does, given she was the one getting the short end of the stick. That's what you do when somebody wants advice on dealing with somebody likely to feel hurt by their actions. He wants validation and not advice would be appropriate if he had displayed a lack of remorse. I didn't feel this way initially - only after this; Great pile-on monkeys (moneyjane and Brandon) Not wanting to hear advice that indicates you screwed up and probably won't get what you want sounds like sounds like looking for validation to me. To me your comments smack of male-bashing It wasn't. I'd give the same advice to a woman. Or a chandelier. This is just problem-solving to me. Cut to the chase, 'fix' the problem, move on. Apparently the bluntness of my method is offensive to some - well all-righty then. I'll stick to facts and kitten posts, not advice, in future.
• Maybe you've been hurt by a similar situation by someone more selfish, and if so, don't take it out on Anonymouse. Moneyjane - that goes for you too. I've been in an almost identical situation, and I can relate I think you've just given some insight on why you're so ruffled. So follow your own logic, Rocket 88 and don't take it out on me.
• I think you've just given some insight on why you're so ruffled. Wrong again.
• OK...now that I see that in print it looks snarky. I'm not trying to take anything out on anyone, and was just sticking up for Anonymouse because I thought he was being treated harshly. Giving advice in romantic matters is a bad idea, because people have to make, and live with, their own decisions for their own reasons. The insults directed toward Anonymouse seem (to me) to be based on assumptions that aren't warranted, based on the information given. That's my only take on this whole matter and all I need to say.
• I have taken what you've said to heart, Rocket, and have rewritten my first response to Mr. AMouse's plea for guidance; I feel that perhaps you need to be upfront about the change in how you feel and you will probably not have the friendship, at least in its present form, at least for a while, possibly 6 months, maybe longer, perhaps for like a really long time. Why? Well, it could be said that perhaps it's possible that it may, in a way, be perceived as though just maybe, because you have just yanked someone's chain,it's unfortunately possible she might think that, given the type of situation that you described here, in this forum, that, sadly, she thinks she has every right to be pissed. I mean, in her mind. I'm not saying I think that's right or anything like that, but that maybe, like she does? Maybe you should try to consider the idea that it's better that you don't expect friendship.Possibly the best idea could be to sort of give her some dignity - I'd suggest possibly even to, like for a while, leave her alone, and she'll resume the friendship if and when she wants to although it could be like a changed thing, the friendship that is, as because maybe it's changed, to some degree, and she'll think things are sort of different. Though I'm not saying they are just that maybe she thinks it is and will get all mad and stuff. Because possibly, otherwise, going on about the wanting to still be friends can be seen as patronizing and, literally, insult to injury, even though you may totally not even mean it that way, and you are probably a super nice guy, I mean you're on Monkeyfilter and all, and she's maybe just going to twist things all around in her head because she's just like that, or maybe not, because I don't really know that much about the situation, when you really think about it, but anyways just take it for what it's worth, like in the spirit it's given. The whole problem is that in a way, she might think that, unfair or not you fucked up (which could totally be wrong, I know), and that in this case,because things have changed that there is a chance that, given the circumstances in this situation, that expecting her friendship is a bit much. Or maybe not. Pffffssssttttt....BAWOOM! That was my head exploding. If concise is insulting, I guess I'm busted. And this is not a snark - I will try and change the way I come across. Given the horse is no longer breathing, and my beating arm is tired, I'm running away.
• Hey, for what's it worth- I might be wrong about the person and situation. but we'll probably never know.
• Moneyjane- I think I love, but not in THAT way. Just as, you know, friends, ok?
• I will try and change the way I come NoooooooooO! That's creative snippage for you.
• Is everyone back in the Friend Zone again?
• Jeez, all this sniping and we're still at my answer.
• I swear I saw one reference to "her" in the original post, but now it's not there. I must've projected it. Anyways, Anonymouse has intentionally obfuscated too much relevant information. He/she hid both genders, hid who's older, and hid who's the parent. Witholding all of this information destroyed any possibility that we'd give any useful advice. Since this isn't a plea for advice, it becomes a plea for sympathy. If Anonymouse doesn't show up with the facts, then all the snark he/she recieves is deserved and self-brought.
• Only blood sacrifice will resolve this dilemma. Sharpen your daggers and put the child on the altar. Whatever you do, don't try to make the other party leave you. I've been witness to a few of those sad attempts, and they invariably end up in disaster (one involving the police and another mental health professionals, I recall).
• say this to your friend/lover: "i felt much better as your friend, and i'd like to return to that if possible. you mean a lot to me." simple.
• Because you're acting like an immature asshole. That's a mirror you're looking in, pal. Man, what a disappointing thread. I take back everything I've said about MoFi being nicer than MeFi. I don't think I've seen this kind of assholery in responses to similar AskMe questions. Maybe that has to do with AskMe being a separate site with separate standards. Anyway, Brandon and moneyjane: you both look like jerks, even though you think you're just being straightforward and open and all that. Not that you care, 'cause you don't care what anybody else thinks, right? (Hint: that's a very common symptom of assholery.) Anon: sorry about the bad responses, and I don't blame you for wishing you'd never brought it up. For what it's worth, I wish you luck and hope you can take something good away from this mess.
• >>Because you're acting like an immature asshole. >That's a mirror you're looking in, pal. Quite possibly. A stranger asked for advice and I wrapped a bit of judgement up in the advice that was given. This thread is fascinating. It's a mound of squirming worms who never quite connect. Anon was vague with details and we've all sorted that information through our own filters with wildly different results. What advice was right, what was wrong? Was it either and does it even matter? My own advice to Anon came from the belief that people (especially complete strangers) really don't want advice, particularly when those complete strangers are asking for advice, they just want someone to tell them that its ok to do what they were going to do anyway. and nobody wants to be called an asshole, despite the fact that all of us are assholes at some point and we need others to tell us we were being assholes. whether i needed to be one, in this thread, is up to others. I don't think I was being one. Instead I was pointing out something that Anon probably had not AND WOULD NOT consider. So I did the written equivalent of smacking him on the head and saying "Stop and think!". Yeah, it was harsh, but again, sometimes that is what a person needs. Based on the few details Anon gave and his (i'm assuming it's a he) reaction to harsher comments, I think it's exactly what he needed and if he doesn't at least pause and think "am I being a self centered ass", then he's doing himself and the other person a disservice. >> Anyway, Brandon and moneyjane: you both look like jerks, even though you think you're just being straightforward and open and all that. No, i'm giving him something else to think about. >Not that you care, 'cause you don't care what anybody else thinks, right? (Hint: that's a very common symptom of assholery.) I care what lots of people think of me. Some of them could break my heart with just a few words. I just don't care what YOU think of me. If this makes me an asshole in your eyes, well so be it. Sometimes people need to be assholes. But leaving the my "immature asshole" comment aside, do you think the rest of what I said was good advice? >Anon: sorry about the bad responses, and I don't blame you for wishing you'd never brought it up. For what it's worth, I wish you luck and hope you can take something good away from this mess. I'd still love to know how it all turned out.
• I still think everyone was trolled into 'opening their hearts', for all to see. There's a lot of personal and inside stuff posted. We definitely need an Ask the Monkey column, from what I've seen here.
• I take back everything I've said about MoFi being nicer than MeFi. Not that you care, 'cause you don't care what anybody else thinks, right? (Hint: that's a very common symptom of assholery.) I never called anybody an asshole - but you just did. High horse feeling a bit wobbly? I've explained, at length exactly why I gave the advice I gave. If you can't accept that I gave different advice in a different way than you would, that's too bad. I was brusque; I was concise - maybe there were other things going on in the world at the time, like, oh, I don't know...maybe a massive natural catastrophe with horrific loss of life that made me think that a quick and to the point answer to a question about something rather unimportant in comparison would be sufficient. Frankly, I didn't think we had to babysit theoretical grown-ups here, asking for advice about grown-up situations. I have not singled anyone out by name in this thread, but I'm going to now, and as concisely as ever. Blow me, Languagehat.
• languagehat can be a bit, er, judgemental sometimes, on a personal level. But then, aren't we all? We all have faults. Forgive & forget. I think this is one of the most entertaining threads evar. But I sometimes quietly enjoy chaos, watching from the sidelines. I would miss both languagehat & moneyjane's input to this place. FWIW, I still think this is a far cry from the flinging @ Mefi, not that it matters (who cares, anyway?). Monkeys DO fling poo. It says *less* flinging, not *no* flinging. Sometimes poo must be flung.
• Apologies to Tracicle.
• Give me a break, moneyjane. You can dish it out but can't take it, eh? I usually enjoy your contributions to this site, but I call them as I see them, and here you were being a jerk. If you were so distracted by "a massive natural catastrophe with horrific loss of life" that you couldn't take the time to give a decent response to a heartfelt question, you shouldn't have been commenting, should you? You should have been out helping the needy or something. Also, I didn't call anyone an asshole, I said you and Brandon made yourselves looked like jerks and might want to examine your attitudes for symptoms of the assholery you were diagnosing in Anonymouse. Brandon: Thanks for a thoughtful response. I still think you were being a jerk to Anon, but at least you're capable of civility. And like Nostril says, I can be, er, judgmental, but I am easily won over with a little civility.
• I have deep respect for you, l-hat, but I have to side with mj here.* This comment of hers is just plain sensible. * Of course it takes an asshole to know an asshole, so from one to another, thanks for keeping it real, mj.
• Ar fucking gh!! I meant to link here.
• I think that both languagehat & moneyjane are right.. the problem seems merely to be customary use of words. I think languagehat is accustomed to precision & careful use of language, moneyjane wants to cut to the heart of the matter. This makes lhat think mj is being harsh, & makes mj think lhat is being pompous. Just a filter of perceptions. And I still think this thread is a hoot.
• Blow me. Please.
• psst...you have a buhdjhyna.
• Get outta town?!
• What an interesting choice of words: made yourselves looked like jerks. I find this highly offensive for some reason. Either I was being a jerk or I wasn't being a jerk, but please don't say I just looked like a jerk. I'd hate to think I was a faux jerk. and yeah, you didn't CALL anyone an asshole, you just implied it. True, you implied by making a series of half assed assumptions which don't resemble reality, so I guess it doesn't count. But STILL, you know? Also, after running my statements through the Computron 2000 (rev. b), it says I am not an asshole (this time) and Anonymouse is a girlie man or girlie girl, whichever applies. The Computron does NOT lie.
• No way, dude...the Computron makes itself look like it does NOT lie. Geez. Get your shit together.
• E-prime?
• Bullshit, moneyjane, I got lawyers, which means I got a recount.
• What an interesting choice of words: made yourselves looked like jerks. Damn right -- I didn't writed gud. I suck. Otherwise, I think you're wrong, but I'm not willing to go ten rounds about it. I don't like it when people jump all over other people for no good reason and I tend to jump all over them, and sometimes I get too emphatic about it. But I'd think you'd be the last person to complain about that. Anyway, nothing personal was intended, OK?
• Anyway, nothing personal was intended, OK? it's because I'm from the south side, ISN'T IT?! I don't like it when people jump all over other people for no good reason Well, I thought I had a good reason for yelling at him. However, you thought I had a bad reason for yelling at him, so you yelled at me. Good thing I'm not an Archduke, huh? I find this amusing, in that crazy human way that spawned World Wars. later.
• Hmmmm, could it be that I have something to bring into this discussion? Wait here. *calls in Great Dane who proceeds to lift hind leg and piss all over thread There. That's about it, folks. *leaves whistling
• Monkeyfilter: That's about it, folks. Monkeyfilter: Could it be that I have something to bring into this discussion? Monkeyfilter: Taglines = Bluehorse
• Ooooh, I commented on 4:20! Sounds good to me! *takes a deep one*
• So do we ever get to find out what happened?
• After the shitfest this thread turned into, small surprise if we don't.
• Phweeew! What shat & died in here? whoo! *waves hand, leaves*